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(Abstract)"," Jean Kahn was only ten years old when France capitulated to Nazi Germany in 1940. He was the youngest member of his family to endure the trials and tribulations of the Occupation. In his interview, Jean recounts the daring escape he, his mother, and elder brother, Pierre, made across the Pyrenees mountains into neutral Spain in October 1943. They were among the some 30,000 Jews from France who made this difficult journey during the war years. They went without a guide and like most other Jewish escapees arranged their trip independently, without the aid of a rescue organization. The Kahns were fortunate in their timing, because after the German occupation of southern France on November 11, 1942 (following the Allied landings in North Africa several days earlier), the Spanish expelled few refugees who managed successful border crossings. By the fall of 1943, when the Kahns crossed into Spain, it was obvious that the Germans were losing the war, and the Allies had put pressure on Spain earlier that year not to turn away refugees who had crossed the Spanish border—provided that they would leave the country for another destination without delay. One estimate is that between the summer of 1942 and the fall of 1944, some 7,500 Jews found temporary refuge in Spain. This interview is part of a group of interviews with the eminent Kahn family and their chauffeur taken in Paris on August 21, 1946 during an evening at the home of Admiral Louis Kahn. The interviews were conducted in the following order: Abraham Schramack (Mrs. Kahn's father), Jean Kahn (the family's younger son) Anne Marcelle Kahn, and her husband, Admiral Kahn. These are followed by an interview with the family's chauffeur, Charles Jean, who during the German occupation was in the French resistance. The Kahns were among the approximately 150,000 French Jews who had deep roots in France. (Another 200,000 Jews in France during the Holocaust were more recent immigrants.) Despite their long-standing residence in France, the Kahn family lived a precarious existence during the Occupation. Due to his service in the French navy, Admiral Kahn was separated from his family at the start of the war and was not in France during the war years. (Commentary by Elliot Lefkovitz) (Commentary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":[" World War, 1939-1945--Refugees (Topical)"," Holocaust, Jewish (1939-1945)--Personal narratives (Topical)"," World War, 1939-1945--Personal narratives, Jewish (Topical)"," Paris (France)  (Geographic)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":[" Kahn, Jean Louis (Interviewee)"," Boder, David P. (David Pablo), 1886-1961 (Interviewer)"," Joyce, Deborah (Transcriber)"," Joyce, Deborah (Translator)"," English, Eben (Editor)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["oral history"," interview"]}},{"label":{"en":["Inerviewee Nationality"]},"value":{"en":["France"]}},{"label":{"en":["Interviewee Gender"]},"value":{"en":["Male"]}}],"summary":{"en":[" Interview with Jean Louis Kahn, conducted by David P. Boder on August 21, 1946 in Paris, France."," Jean Kahn was only ten years old when France capitulated to Nazi Germany in 1940. He was the youngest member of his family to endure the trials and tribulations of the Occupation. In his interview, Jean recounts the daring escape he, his mother, and elder brother, Pierre, made across the Pyrenees mountains into neutral Spain in October 1943. They were among the some 30,000 Jews from France who made this difficult journey during the war years. They went without a guide and like most other Jewish escapees arranged their trip independently, without the aid of a rescue organization. The Kahns were fortunate in their timing, because after the German occupation of southern France on November 11, 1942 (following the Allied landings in North Africa several days earlier), the Spanish expelled few refugees who managed successful border crossings. By the fall of 1943, when the Kahns crossed into Spain, it was obvious that the Germans were losing the war, and the Allies had put pressure on Spain earlier that year not to turn away refugees who had crossed the Spanish border—provided that they would leave the country for another destination without delay. One estimate is that between the summer of 1942 and the fall of 1944, some 7,500 Jews found temporary refuge in Spain. This interview is part of a group of interviews with the eminent Kahn family and their chauffeur taken in Paris on August 21, 1946 during an evening at the home of Admiral Louis Kahn. The interviews were conducted in the following order: Abraham Schramack (Mrs. Kahn's father), Jean Kahn (the family's younger son) Anne Marcelle Kahn, and her husband, Admiral Kahn. These are followed by an interview with the family's chauffeur, Charles Jean, who during the German occupation was in the French resistance. The Kahns were among the approximately 150,000 French Jews who had deep roots in France. (Another 200,000 Jews in France during the Holocaust were more recent immigrants.) Despite their long-standing residence in France, the Kahn family lived a precarious existence during the Occupation. Due to his service in the French navy, Admiral Kahn was separated from his family at the start of the war and was not in France during the war years. 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And if you can’t, you speak in French. All right. I will ask you the questions in English and you can answer them. [aside] All right. I am here at the home of Admiral Kahn, in the presence of three generations. There’s the grandfather, the father of Mrs. Kahn, who spoke to us before, and the Admiral, his wife and here now with me on the sofa is his young son. Now tell me, what’s your name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=4.0,54.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e Jean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=54.0,55.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Your name is John. 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And any time you are looking for words, just speak French. You are now fifteen. And how old were you when the war started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=64.0,75.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e It was in 1940.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=75.0,78.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e So how old were you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=78.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e I was ten.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=80.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e You were ten, yes. Now, start talking French. And tell me what do you remember about the start of the war. Go ahead in French.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=82.0,97.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e [In French] Well, first of all, I saw a lot of people running in the streets, looking for news, because on the radio, a lot of the announcers, not knowing themselves what was happening, had turned the radio broadcasts over to music programming and songs. The first thing I saw in the morning when I woke up was busloads of troops who were going to the front through the north near Sedan and everyone was panicked, huddling around the radio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=97.0,174.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [In English] Now tell me. What month was it? Were you in school then? 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What did you think it would be? Did you like it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=198.0,203.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e [In French] I didn’t think that it would last very long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=203.0,206.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [In English] Uh huh. Now, tell me what then happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=206.0,212.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e [In French] Well, we had to escape from the Germans who had succeeded in making a breakthrough in the East, and at the time, we didn’t think that they were going to advance quickly. And so, starting on June 18, 1940, we were forced to travel throughout France, from the North to the South and the East, to arrive in Marseille.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=212.0,246.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [In French] Good. Who was with you in Marseille?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=246.0,252.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e [In English] My grandfather, my mother and my brother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=252.0,258.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e And where was your father?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=258.0,262.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e He was at the war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=262.0,263.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Your father was in the war. All right. Now, what happened then in Marseille? Speak French.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=263.0,271.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e [In French] [conversation with interpreter] I was in Marseille when I heard that the Armistice had been signed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=271.0,281.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] All right. And where did you go from Marseille? Tell me. 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And at the end of October, 1943, we took the train, without the papers required to cross into the “forbidden zone” along the Spanish border. And...my brother and I looked for a way through various little villages up in the mountains.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=295.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [In French] And your mother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=385.0,387.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [In English] And where was your mother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=387.0,389.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e [In French] And my mother was waiting in Perpignan for the results of our investigation. Children didn’t need special papers to enter the forbidden zone. And we were both under the age of 17 at the time and we could cross the German police barriers fairly easily where they were checking other person’s papers. When we saw how impossible it was, since everyone refused to help us, even the guides who had been questioned were totally without any ideas as to what we could do, we returned to Perpignan, having decided to go it alone, without a guide, with no one’s help. My brother bought a compass and an administrative road map of the area, and around noon, we left Perpignan for a small town called Osseja, located at.. what was the altitude? Located at 1200 meters above sea level. We had of course not succeeded in obtaining any papers giving us permission to be in the forbidden zone, and nevertheless, in the village of Osseja, we were already in the forbidden zone. Consequently, at any checkpoint, the Germans could have discovered that we were without papers and stop us from going any further. This didn’t happen, fortunately, but coming out of the train station at Osseja, we saw two German agents who were checking papers for entrance into the forbidden zone. We stayed a few moments near the train tracks, and when we saw the two agents leave, we crossed through the train station and came out. We left behind two rather heavy backpacks and a suitcase, at the luggage checkroom, so that we would be less encumbered to look around, take a last look and explore the area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=389.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e And then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=574.0,575.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: And then we left...following a route that was vaguely indicated to us by some people in that same little village. We started our climb towards the end of the afternoon, and the rain was falling, turning the ground into clumps of slush. We were sinking into the mud, dragging our feet, sliding. We were exhausted and not making any progress. [Question off mic from interpreter] We didn’t dare take out the map, for fear it would become soaked and useless. From time to time, we looked at the compass to see if we were going in the right direction, and we would hear the German police dogs. We didn’t know if they were tracking us or someone else, but we kept quiet so as to be missed by them. My brother, nevertheless, drove us on and pushed us as best as he could, because both my mother and I were more tired than he. Ultimately, he was the one who boosted the morale of the three of us, and who kept us on the right path with his compass. 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We didn’t even stay five minutes. We were taken to the police station, then again to the hotel where we had spent the previous two nights and finally, two carabineros took us to prison in Barcelona. There, we had another brief interrogation, and then we were thrown into jail, a little like animals, in big cages in the basement of the Barcelona Prefecture. The next day, miraculously, we got out and managed to join a convoy going to North Africa and to finally take us into the free zone. We reached Casablanca after two days, and we finally learned on the boat to Casablanca that my father was in Algiers. 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What month were you in the mountains? 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Only with a piece of sugar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1259.0,1268.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [laughing] Now, where did you get from Spain then? From Spain you came where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1268.0,1276.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e In North Africa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1276.0,1277.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e To North Africa. All right. And when did you see your father again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1277.0,1285.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJean Kahn:\u003c/strong\u003e Just a month after our departure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1285.0,1288.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/7995/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e From 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And if you can’t, you speak in French. All right. I will ask you the questions in English and you can answer them. [aside] All right. I am here at the home of Admiral Kahn, in the presence of three generations. There’s the grandfather, the father of Mrs. Kahn, who spoke to us before, and the Admiral, his wife and here now with me on the sofa is his young son. 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And how old are you, John?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=58.498,62.064"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: I am fifteen now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=62.064,63.51"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: You are fifteen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=63.51,64.474"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=64.474,64.938"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Now, that’s nice English. And any time you are look for words, just speak French. You are now fifteen. And how old were you when the war started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=64.938,75.914"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: It was in 1940.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=75.914,78.697"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: So how old were you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=78.697,80.625"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: I was ten.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=80.625,82.173"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: You were ten, yes. Now, start talking French. And tell me what do you remember about the start of the war. Go ahead in French.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=82.173,97.836"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] Eh bien, tout d’abord j’ai vu beaucoup de monde courir dans les rues, allant à l’encontre des nouvelles, car à la radio beaucoup de speakers, ne sachant pas eux-mêmes les nouvelles, avaient livré la radio à des spectacles de musique et de chansons. Et la première chose que je vis le matin en m’éveillant, ce sont des cars de troupes qui montaient au front par le Nord à l’approchée de Sedan...et tout le monde était affolé, entourant la radio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=97.836,174.273"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] Now tell me. What month was it? Were you in school then? What month was it when the war started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=174.273,183.351"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcelle Kahn: [In French] [Interpreter intervenes] Quel mois c’était?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=183.351,188.833"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] Do you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=188.833,190.309"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] C’était en juin. En juin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=190.309,191.936"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] Were you in school then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=191.936,193.996"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] Oui, j’étais en classe, au lycée de Lorient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=193.996,198.544"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] And what did you think about the war? What did you think it would be? Did you like it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=198.544,203.605"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] Je ne pensais pas que cela durerait très longtemps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=203.605,206.659"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] Uh huh. Now, tell me what then happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=206.659,212.051"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] Eh bien, nous avons été obligés de nous enfuir devant les Allemands qui avaient réussi à faire une percée dans l’Est et à ce temps-là, nous ne pensions pas qu’ils allaient avancer rapidement. Et alors, dès le 18 juin 1940, nous avons été forcés de parcourir la France du Nord au Sud et de l’orient d’arriver à Marseille.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=212.051,246.488"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] Bon. Who was with you in Marseille?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=246.488,252.163"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: My grandfather, my mother and my brother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=252.163,258.229"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: And where was your father?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=258.229,262.175"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: He was at the war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=262.175,263.44"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Your father was in the war. All right. Now, what happened then in Marseille? Speak French.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=263.44,271.271"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] [conversation with interpreter] C’est à Marseille que j’ai appris que l’armistice avait été signé.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=271.271,281.585"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] All right. And where did you go from Marseille? Tell me. [aside to someone else: “It was a great pleasure and thank you very much.”]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=281.585,295.917"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] [conversation with interpreter] A Marseille, c’était en décembre 1942, nous avons entendu un message à la radio de Londres, message qui avait été convenu avec mon père à son départ: le canari est bien arrivé et il attend ses petits. C’était le signal que nous attendions pour partir pour aller le rejoindre. En octobre 1943, nous avons pris le train pour Perpignan, et c’est de là que nous passions faire toutes nos recherches et prévoir tous les embarras que nous aurions en traversant la frontière. Et de la fin d’octobre 1943 nous avons pris le train, sans les papiers qu’il fallait pour traverser la zone interdite, longeant la frontière espagnole. Et...mon frère et moi avons cherché le passage dans différents petits villages qui se trouvaient sur des sommets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=295.917,385.816"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Et votre mère?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=385.816,387.485"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] And where was your mother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=387.485,389.395"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] Et ma mère attendait à Perpignan les résultats de notre enquête...Pour les enfants, il ne fallait pas de papiers spéciaux pour entrer dans la zone interdite. Et nous avions tous les deux moins de dix-sept ans à ce moment-là et nous pouvions passer assez facilement à travers les haies de police allemande qui contrôlaient les papiers des autres personnes. Voyant que tout était impossible devant le refus de tout le monde de nous aider, mêmes des guides qui avaient été questionnés, sans idées totalement de voir seulement ce que nous pourrions faire, nous sommes retournés à Perpignan décidés à partir seuls, sans guide, avec l’aide de personne. Mon frère acheta une boussole et une carte d’état-major de la région, et vers midi, nous sommes partis de Perpignan, pour une petite ville qui s’appelle Osséja, située à combien d’altitude? située à 1200 mètres d’altitude. Nous n’avions évidemment réussi à avoir aucun papier permettant le passage de la zone interdite, et cependant, dans le village d’Osséja, nous étions déjà dans la zone interdite. Par conséquent, à tout contrôle, les Allemands auraient pu découvrir que nous n’avions pas de papiers et nous empêcher d’aller plus loin. Ceci ne s’est pas passé heureusement, mais à la sortie de la gare d’Osséja, nous avons remarqué qu’il y avait deux agents allemands qui demandaient les papiers permettant l’entrée en zone interdite. Nous sommes restés quelques instants sur la voie, et lorsque nous avons vu les deux agents partir, nous avons franchi la gare, et nous sommes sortis. Nous avions laissé deux sacs de montagne assez lourds et une valise à la consigne en vue de pouvoir plus librement faire nos recherches, nos dernières recherches et explorations du pays.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=389.395,574.139"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Et puis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=574.139,575.085"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Et puis nous sommes partis d’après...en suivant un trajet qui nous avait été vaguement indiqué par quelques personnes dans le petit village même. L’ascension commença vers la fin de l’après-midi, et la pluie tombait en faisant des mottes de gadoue. Nous étions enfoncés dans la boue, traînants, glissants, nous n’en pouvions plus et n’avancions pas. [Question off mic from interpreter] On n’osait pas sortir la carte d’état-major de peur de la tremper et de la perdre. De temps en temps nous regardions la boussole pour voir si nous étions dans la bonne direction, et nous entendions les chiens des policiers allemands. Nous ne savions pas s’ils étaient à nos trousses ou aux trousses de quelqu’un d’autre, mais on se taisait pour nous faire rater. Mon frère cependant nous exhortait et nous poussait comme il pouvait, car nous étions les deux plus fatigués, ma mère et moi. Et enfin, c’est lui qui remontait le moral du trio, et qui nous a toujours tenus dans la bonne voie avec sa boussole. A la sortie du village, nous avons vu une caserne allemande, qui...dans laquelle logeaient des douaniers, et nous avions vu un de leurs gros chiens policiers qui servent à dépister les gens qui essayent de passer la frontière. Enfin, après avoir marché pendant environ 5 heures, nous sommes tombés à pic sur une voie de chemin de fer au fond d’une vallée et nous avons aperçu une petite gare très semblable à nos gares françaises, et nous nous demandions si nous étions déjà en Espagne et non pas toujours en France. Il commençait à faire nuit, et nous n’osions pas nous découvrir et aller demander des renseignements, même approcher de la gare. En descendant, nous sommes tombés...comment s’appelle? un remblai...sur un remblai et nous avons été obligés de passer au dessous d’un tunnel, de contourner la voie et nous sommes descendus enfin sur une route qui semblait une route d’assez grande importance, malgré qu’il n’y ait pas beaucoup de circulation dessus. Enfin nous nous sommes approchés de la gare, et nous avons vu une inscription qui semblait bien ne pas être française. C’était [Filbas?], équivalent de [biffure?] en espagnol. Et puis peu à peu nous nous approchions sans nous en douter de la gare et nous avons entendu des jeunes filles chanter. Elles ne chantaient pas en français, mais en espagnol. Aussitôt, nous nous sommes approchés. Elles sont montées peut-être un peu effrayées chercher leur père. Leur père a tout de suite compris. Beaucoup de gens nous ont aidé, nous ont essuyé les pieds, nous ont donné à manger dans cette petite gare. Et le lendemain matin - ils nous avaient évidemment donné leurs lits pour passer la nuit—le lendemain matin, nous sommes partis de très bonne heure pour gagner la province de Barcelone, qui nous avait-on dit était moins dangereuse, et de là, on ne pouvait pas nous renvoyer en France. De l’aube même, nous avons marché certainement toute la matinée, et une bonne partie de l’après-midi, et nous allions prendre un car dans un petit village situé encore dans la montagne, lorsque nous avons vu deux carabineros habillés d’uniformes kaki et entourés de ceintures jaunes, avec de bas chapeaux [? de cire]. Ils sont venus vers nous, nous demander les papiers d’identité, documentation, et nous n’avons évidemment rien pu fournir. Ils nous ont fait monter dans un hôtel qui avait été réquisitionné entièrement par eux, et là a commencé l’interrogatoire, ainsi que la fouille. L’interrogatoire s’est prolongé toute l’après-midi. Ils posaient de temps en temps une question, nous ont présenté quelques fiches, nous ont confisqués tout ce que nous avions. On ramassait une part ou tout des choses qui étaient restées dans nos poches, et que nous avions essayé en vain de cacher. 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La nuit, ils nous ont fait passer dans une chambre dont les fenêtres avaient été grillagées, et avant de se coucher, ils nous ont enlevé nos chaussures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=575.085,1023.643"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] Were you all together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1023.643,1025.974"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Yes, we were all together in the room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1025.974,1031.577"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] Et alors, ils ont enlevé nos chaussures, et le lendemain matin, ils ont frappé, ils nous ont réveillés, et ont de nouveau procédé à un interrogatoire plus détaillé.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1031.577,1046.107"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [aside, unintelligible]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1046.107,1056.434"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Le surlendemain, nous avons été sortis de cette chambre et emmenés à Barcelone au quartier général de la police espagnole. Nous sommes restés là pas même cinq minutes. Nous avons été ramenés au poste de police, puis de nouveau à l’hôtel où nous avions passé les deux nuits précédentes, et enfin, deux carabineros nous ont emmenés en prison à Barcelone. Là, bref interrogatoire, et puis nous avons été jetés en prison, un peu comme des bêtes, dans de grandes cages dans les sous-sols de la préfecture de Barcelone. Le surlendemain, nous sommes sortis miraculeusement et avons réussi à faire partie d’un convoi qui devait gagner l’Afrique du nord, et nous mener enfin en terre libre. Nous avons atteint Casablanca au bout de deux jours et enfin nous avons su sur le bateau qui nous menait à Casablanca que mon père était à Alger. 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What month were you in the mountains? 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And when did you see your father again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1277.49,1285.363"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Just a month after our departure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1285.363,1288.104"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: From Marseille.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1288.104,1289.4"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: From Perpignan, from France.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1289.4,1292.424"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Just a month after your departure from Perpignan, you saw your father.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1292.424,1296.189"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1296.189,1296.822"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Well, did he look well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1296.822,1298.159"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Yes, just a little bit tired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1298.159,1302.527"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Well, and then what were you doing in Africa?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1302.527,1308.413"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: I went to school there with all the little Arabs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1308.413,1313.395"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Little Arabs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1313.395,1314.461"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1314.461,1315.425"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: And did you learn French or Arabian? 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And are you now in school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1323.974,1326.426"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1326.426,1327.191"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: In what grade are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1327.191,1330.173"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: I’m in the second degree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1330.173,1331.902"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Is that the lycée?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1331.902,1334.233"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Lycée, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1334.233,1336.161"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: So how many years do you need to be through?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1336.161,1340.016"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] Quatre ans?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1340.016,1344.384"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In English] Three years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1344.384,1344.968"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Three years more, and then you will be...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1344.968,1347.498"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Three years of lycée.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1347.498,1348.643"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Yes. And what will you do after that? What do you want to study?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1348.643,1354.968"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: I don’t know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1354.968,1356.113"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: You don’t know. Well, that is good. You are young. Do you want to be an Admiral?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1356.113,1362.45"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1362.45,1363.113"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: No? [laughing] You don’t want to go to sea? Well, and now, do you feel good at school? 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Did you speak there more French or did you speak English there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1387.745,1395.829"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: I spoke much French.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1395.829,1398.751"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1398.751,1399.444"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: And some English in the evening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1399.444,1403.703"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: What subjects are you taking in school? Are you taking Latin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1403.703,1408.251"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Latin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1408.251,1408.974"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1408.974,1410.058"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: And math.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1410.058,1411.896"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Mathematics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1411.896,1412.872"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Mathematics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1412.872,1413.486"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: What do you have in mathematics now? [aside to interpreter] Algebra, geometry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1413.486,1426.258"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: [In French] Géométrie et algèbre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1426.258,1428.83"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] Uh huh. And you take French literature?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1428.83,1433.559"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: French literature, history, geography, physics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1433.559,1437.927"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Physics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1437.927,1438.873"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Chemistry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1438.873,1442.078"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Do you have much to study when you go to school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1442.078,1444.951"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Yes, I have much. Too much!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1444.951,1448.295"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Too much. Well, John, you are an awfully good boy, and it was really a pleasure to have met you. And I think you told us a good story. And I think the children there, if we translate it, will have a lot of fun in listening to your story. We will translate it into English and have another little boy read it for us, make a record. Will you write to me sometimes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1448.295,1475.436"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Yes. Certainly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1475.436,1477.093"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: All right. I’ll write you a letter, then you will know my address. And then if I can, we make another wire and we send you one and then when you have a machine, then you can listen to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1477.093,1490.075"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean Kahn: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1490.075,1490.948"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Well, it was awfully good...[ends abruptly]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1490.948,1489.815"}]},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["French [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/transcript/8172/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/008/172/original/jean-louis-kahn_fr_en.vtt?1583245572","format":"text/vtt","language":"fr"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/008/172/original/jean-louis-kahn_fr_en.vtt?1583245572"}]},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["kahnJ_annotations [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eSee \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/interview/kahnM\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/interview/kahnM\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=4.0,54.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eSee https://voices.library.iit.edu/interview/kahnL\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=4.0,54.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eSee \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/interview/kahnL\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/interview/kahnL\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=4.0,54.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eSee \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/interview/schrameckA\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/interview/schrameckA\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=4.0,54.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe German invaders broke the French defense lines near Sedan in northeastern France (Ardennes department). In 1870, during the Franco-Prussian war, Sedan was the scene of a disastrous French military defeat. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Sedan\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Sedan\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=97.0,174.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Lorient\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Lorient\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=193.0,198.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Kahns joined the great throngs of refugees fleeing south in the wake of the German invasion. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=212.0,246.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=246.0,252.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=263.0,271.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eOn June 22, 1940, France signed an armistice with Germany near Compiègne in the same railway car where Marshal Ferdinand Foch, commander of Allied forces in France in World War I, had handed his armistice terms to the defeated Germans in November 1918. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=271.0,281.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=281.0,295.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=295.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/London\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/London\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=295.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe German occupation of southern France a month earlier had placed the Kahn family in additional danger. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=295.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003ePerpignan is located not far from the Spanish border and the Mediterranean, some forty miles south of Narbonne in the area of France known as Roussillon, the French part of Catalonia. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=295.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Germans assumed direct control of the German border from the Vichy government beginning in April 1943. The authority of French police forces in this area was suspended in the special frontier zone they established. This is most probably what Jean refers to when he speaks about the \"forbidden zone.\" [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=295.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Osseja\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Osseja\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=389.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=389.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=389.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=389.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Osseja\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Osseja\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=389.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Osseja\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Osseja\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=389.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIn this case, the embankment was a raised structure to support the railroad tracks. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=575.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003ePossibly bifurcation, which meant railroad junction. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=575.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe province of Barcelona is located further south with its major city, the great Mediterranean seaport of Barcelona. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Barcelona\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Barcelona\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=575.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eObviously, so that the family would not attempt to escape. However, it does not appear that the Spanish authorities treated the Kahn family differently even though they were Jews. Indeed, there was no special discriminatory policy against Jewish refugees. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=575.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eJean does not explain why the family was \"miraculously\" let out to join the convoy sailing for North Africa and to the city of Casablanca, the principal port of Morocco, located on the North African Atlantic seaboard. Morocco was then under French control. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Casablanca\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Casablanca\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Algiers\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Algiers\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1056.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eBy the time the Kahns arrived in North Africa, the Allies had driven the Axis powers and their Vichy French allies out of the region including Algeria. The French North African colonies were under the rule of the Free French government headed by General Charles De Gaulle. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Casablanca\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Casablanca\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Algiers\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Algiers\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1056.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Barcelona\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Barcelona\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1056.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Barcelona\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Barcelona\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1056.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Barcelona\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Barcelona\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1056.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Marseille\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1288.0,1289.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1289.0,1292.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Perpignan\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1292.0,1296.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eHe means Arabic. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1315.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe French secondary school that prepares students to take the college entrance examination. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1331.0,1334.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIn fact, Jean Kahn became a physician who specialized in cardiology. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1362.0,1363.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eAfter a year’s study in Algiers, Jean was apparently sent to study in the French Lycée of London. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/London\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/London\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1385.0,1387.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/London\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/London\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1387.0,1395.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084/annotation_set/1457/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eBoder is referring to another recording of the interview. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17629/file/73084#t=1477.0,1490.0"}]}]}]}