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(Abstract)"," David Boder was well-acquainted with Professor Dimitri Odinets since he was one of Boder's instructors at the Psychoneurological Institute in pre-World War I St. Petersburg. Following the February 1917 revolution which toppled the government of the Tsar Nicholas II, Odinets was appointed Minister on All Russian Affairs by the new Provisional government. He was sent to Kiev, the capital city of Ukraine, to combat right-wing Ukrainian nationalist separatism. One can infer from his interview that Professor Odinets was part of the liberal nationalist Russian intelligentsia. The communist Bolsheviks—headed by Vladimir Lenin—toppled the Provisional government in October 1917. Soon thereafter, a horribly bitter civil broke out between the communists and their opponents, which lasted until the communist victory in 1921. During this time, Odinets was in the turbulent Ukraine as communist and anti-communist forces clashed in a bloody struggle. Odinets made a perilous escape to Romania in 1921 and eventually settled in Paris, where he helped found the Russian People's University and the Franco-Russian Institute. For a time, he was chairman of the Russian Pedagogical Society in France. When interviewed by Boder, Professor Odinets was working as general secretary of the Russian Academic Union of France and editor of the paper The Soviet Patriot, as well as chairman of the board of the Turgenov library. At the time of the interview on October 4, 1946, Professor Odinets still had hopes of returning to the Soviet Union. This aspiration indicated that his Russian patriotism—which had undoubtedly been strengthened by the Soviet victory in World War II, the \"Great Patriotic War,\" and longing for his homeland—had overridden his antipathy to communism. The bulk of Boder's interview focuses on Professor Odinets's experiences in Paris under German occupation. Following the German invasion of the Soviet Union, he was interned by the Nazis due to his Russian origins and failure to cooperate with them. After spending ten months in an interment camp at Compiègne-Royallieu, he was released. He clearly pointed out the differences between German treatment of Jews and non-Jews in the camp, with the former suffering to a greater extent. Upon his release, Professor Odinets supported himself by giving Russian lessons and became engaged in underground work, helping to publish the paper which became The Soviet Patriot. Professor Odinets states that while there were some in the Russian colony in Paris who did collaborate with the Germans, most did not, he among them. His testimony in the interview shows him to be courageous and principled individual. (Commentary by Elliot Lefkovitz) (Commentary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":[" World War, 1939-1945--Refugees (Topical)"," World War, 1939-1945--Personal narratives, Russian (Topical)"," Paris (France) (Geographic)"," Royallieu (Concentration camp) (Person Or Corporate Body)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":[" Odinet︠s︡, D. M. (Interviewee)"," Boder, David P. (David Pablo), 1886-1961 (Interviewer)"," Collin, Olga (Transcriber)"," Boder, David P. (David Pablo), 1886-1961 (Translator)"," English, Eben (Editor)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["oral history"," interview"]}},{"label":{"en":["Inerviewee Nationality"]},"value":{"en":["Russia"]}},{"label":{"en":["Interviewee Gender"]},"value":{"en":["Male"]}}],"summary":{"en":[" Interview with Dimitri Odinets by David P. Boder, conducted on October 4, 1946 at the Grand Hotel in Paris, France."," David Boder was well-acquainted with Professor Dimitri Odinets since he was one of Boder's instructors at the Psychoneurological Institute in pre-World War I St. Petersburg. Following the February 1917 revolution which toppled the government of the Tsar Nicholas II, Odinets was appointed Minister on All Russian Affairs by the new Provisional government. He was sent to Kiev, the capital city of Ukraine, to combat right-wing Ukrainian nationalist separatism. One can infer from his interview that Professor Odinets was part of the liberal nationalist Russian intelligentsia. The communist Bolsheviks—headed by Vladimir Lenin—toppled the Provisional government in October 1917. Soon thereafter, a horribly bitter civil broke out between the communists and their opponents, which lasted until the communist victory in 1921. During this time, Odinets was in the turbulent Ukraine as communist and anti-communist forces clashed in a bloody struggle. Odinets made a perilous escape to Romania in 1921 and eventually settled in Paris, where he helped found the Russian People's University and the Franco-Russian Institute. For a time, he was chairman of the Russian Pedagogical Society in France. When interviewed by Boder, Professor Odinets was working as general secretary of the Russian Academic Union of France and editor of the paper The Soviet Patriot, as well as chairman of the board of the Turgenov library. At the time of the interview on October 4, 1946, Professor Odinets still had hopes of returning to the Soviet Union. This aspiration indicated that his Russian patriotism—which had undoubtedly been strengthened by the Soviet victory in World War II, the \"Great Patriotic War,\" and longing for his homeland—had overridden his antipathy to communism. The bulk of Boder's interview focuses on Professor Odinets's experiences in Paris under German occupation. Following the German invasion of the Soviet Union, he was interned by the Nazis due to his Russian origins and failure to cooperate with them. After spending ten months in an interment camp at Compiègne-Royallieu, he was released. He clearly pointed out the differences between German treatment of Jews and non-Jews in the camp, with the former suffering to a greater extent. Upon his release, Professor Odinets supported himself by giving Russian lessons and became engaged in underground work, helping to publish the paper which became The Soviet Patriot. Professor Odinets states that while there were some in the Russian colony in Paris who did collaborate with the Germans, most did not, he among them. His testimony in the interview shows him to be courageous and principled individual. 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This is apparently the last interview in Paris. The interviewee is Professor Dimitri Michailovitch Odinets, ah...a professor of history, of Russian history, and educator, a former director of...ah...gymnasium, a professor of several universities and at one time a member of the cabinet of the Ukrainian regional government. He will talk to us in Russian. [Pause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=6.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [In Russian] Dimitri Michailovitch kindly tell us first of all, briefly, your so to speak, official occupations of your official career, let us say beginning with the year 1912. Only, so to speak, in brief factual remarks. Let us begin with the time when we both worked together at the Dimitriev Gymnasium in Petersburg on the Novski Prospect. And you were at that time our professor of the Psycho-Neurological Institute as well, isn’t that so?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=58.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=94.0,95.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e How old are you now, 62?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=95.0,98.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Sixty-two years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=98.0,99.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Sixty-two years. Now then, just in a few words: let’s begin with 1913 and proceed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=99.0,106.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Beginning with the year 1912 I was at first a teacher in a number of gymnasiums in Petersburg, afterwards the director of the gymnasium in the name of Stolpzow,—a gymnasium for boys, which was fully accredited. I also was [at the same time] a professor of the Psycho-Neurological Institute. Also professor of the Raev Superior courses of Women. Since the time of the February Revolution, 1917, I was commissioned by the Central Interim—protem government to go to Kiev to become the minister [envoy] on all Russian affairs, that is to defend the Russian people from possible Ukrainian chauvinism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=106.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Proceed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=168.0,172.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . In my role as minister of all great Russian affairs I remained for about a year and resigned after election of Skoropadsky as Hetman of the Ukraine—a man of definitely rightist and reactionary views. After this I was elected chairman of the Union for the Rebirth of Russia of its Southern committe. At this post I lived through in Kiev about twelve revolutions, one government succeeding the other. Finally at the end of 1920 at the approach of the Bolsheviks to Kiev I left on foot from Kiev to Odessa, on foot because then the railroads did not function. And finally in 1920 at the beginning of the year, after having become a machine gunner trained in an English machine gunners’ school I left Odessa as a member of a military contingent with the purpose to fight our way through abroad. From our division of about 3,500 men about 36 remained alive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=172.0,266.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Through what kind of armies did you have to break through?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=266.0,268.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . Through the Bolshevik armies...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=268.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=270.0,271.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . Approximately 36 men. In Rumania I was interned but in about a month or two together with my compatriots, who were also interned we were released and found ourselves in Serbia. From Serbia, where I was for some time director of a gymnasium of the Russians in Belgrade, I went over to Warsaw and from Warsaw I finally got to Paris, where I remained all this time. My activities in Paris consisted of the following: together with my friend Dimitriev, we founded in Paris the “Russian Peoples University.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=271.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e It was the same Dimitriev who took over at one time the so-called trusteeship of the Stolpzow gymnasium?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=319.0,328.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . The very same Dimitriev who was as active as he was in Petersburg...besides this I was here chairman of the Russian Pedagogical Society in France, also professor and inspector of the Franco-Russian Institute which we founded, i.e. of the department of law. I was also the general secretary of the Russian Academic Union in France in which capacity I still remain. I have written several books and that seems to be all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=328.0,366.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, Dimitri Michailovitch, what are you at present—the editor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=366.0,371.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e I am the editor of the paper “Sovietsky Patriot”. A member of the Central Committee of the “Union of Soviet Patriots”. I am continuing to be on the executive committee of the Russian Academic Union. Yes, I forgot, I am also chairman of the board of the Turgenev Library, which was removed and confiscated by the Germans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=371.0,397.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . In speaking of the Turgenev Library tell me something about it and it what state are its affairs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=397.0,403.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e The Turgenev Library was founded with direct participation of the famous Russian writer, Ivan Sergeiewitch Turgenev in 1876, gradually the library has grown in the number of books...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=403.0,417.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e The library not only contained Turgenev’s books, it was a library in general?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=417.0,426.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a general library. A public library, which was growing gradually and has become finally a very valuable depository of books. All outstanding French scholars [one word not clear] were making use of the library. It was also attended without exception by all Russian emigrees of the time. Among the renowned emigrees scholars [who frequented the library] was also Lenin during his stay in Paris. The administrative staff of the library was chosen by elections because the library belonged to all subscribers and for the last three years of its existence I was the elected chairman of the board. The city of Paris, recognizing the value of the library, donated magnificent quarters [for the library]. As to the books:—before the war there were 110,000 books by titles, that means that there were a great many more volumes. When the Germans appeared in Paris a title was considered equivalent to an author.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=426.0,501.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, explain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=501.0,505.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e The title means the author, for instance: Gogols’s whole collection of his writings was considered one title, but volumes there are many—twenty-four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=505.0,516.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, I just recall “Niva” [Footnote: A famous weekly magazine of pre-revolutionary times in Russia, which gave its readers every year a premium of twelve or twenty-four volumes of classical literature.] which was publishing the authors in twenty-four volumes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=516.0,525.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e So the Turgenev library had become the richest Russian library abroad, with references to old issues, not Soviet publications...but older books. After the Germans had besieged Paris, yet before the war with Soviet Russia, they offered me, as the chairman of the administration, on behalf of the German government...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=525.0,555.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e The Germans offered?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=555.0,556.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, the Germans offered in behalf of the [German] government, to buy the library, claiming that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=556.0,563.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e On behalf of the German government?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=563.0,565.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e On behalf of the German government.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=565.0,568.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e What did they want it for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=568.0,571.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e The Representative of Rosenfeld...Pardon me, Rosenberg who was coming to our library and had become to know it. He said that the library was a very interesting one and for this reason the German government would like to purchase it. I think they had in view to transfer the library to the “Rosenberg East European Institute.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=571.0,602.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e H—um...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=602.0,603.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e When I refused to sell the library to the Germans, in view of the fact that it did not belong to me and, also, because I did not want to do it, the library was liquidated the following day by the Germans. Part of the books we succeeded to save, but nine/tenths of the books were sent over to Germany, where the library still is at present. Only lately we succeeded in tracing it in Germany in the Soviet Occupied Zone, and we hope that with the help of our representative, we may be able to get back the library or what was left of it. But, meanwhile, it is a question [?].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=603.0,654.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e You will get it back to Paris?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=654.0,656.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, to Paris. But as yet, the problem has not been solved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=656.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, let us begin again. Be so kind and inform us...I know that you are an historian, but I collect primarily the experience of eye witnesses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=660.0,679.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=679.0,680.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me please, what happened to you personally and to your family, of course, evaluating the events—you could not do it otherwise, beginning with the moment of the German invasion in Poland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=680.0,700.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e At the moment of the German invasion in Poland, [a few words not clear] we Russians residing first in Paris, although at the time Soviet Russia was in alliance with Germany, understood clearly that war between Russia and Germany was imminent, that sooner or later the Germans will attack Russia. And so, forseeing these events I severed with the past as an emigre and for the first time went to the Soviet embassy. I told them, “I have come here because I am convinced that Russia is in danger and as a Russian moved by patriotism, I must be with my country in this critical period.” I was very well recieved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=700.0,776.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Who was the ambassador then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=776.0,778.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Ambassador Bogomol, but he was then in Vichy. In Paris there was the charge d’affaire Lerv Alexandrowich Tarasow, and exceptionally pleasant and cultured man. We met several times and it became obvious to me that in regard of the Russian-German relations we stand on identical grounds and are speaking the same language. I decided then that is was my duty to return to my native country. I told so to Tarasow [one word not clear] and Tarasow took certain steps in that direction. But it was too late. In fact within a few days war broke out. The Germans attacked Russia and I remained in France, in Paris and I am still here until this day. But I have not lost hope to state it better, I am absolutely sure that relatively soon I shall return to my native land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=778.0,860.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e How then, this has taken place when the war started. Well, what happened when the Germans attacked France? How did it affect your personal life, and what were your experiences?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=860.0,879.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e When the Germans attacked France...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=879.0,885.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e When they attacked Russia, we were talking about that phase...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=885.0,888.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e When the Germans attacked Russia, the same day in the morning I was arrested by the Germans. They took me to the same offices of the Gestapo on Rue [name not clear] in Paris and proposed me to go with them to Petersburg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=888.0,909.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e When?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=909.0,910.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e To Petersburg, because as they said: “We are in need of intelligent people and as you know, the intelligensia there has been exterminated. Do you want to go with us or not? Or do you intend to remain outside Russia?” To this proposition I responded with a categorical refusal, either to go or to work with the Germans. As a result I was sent to the concentration camp in Compiègne.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=910.0,949.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Compiègne?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=949.0,950.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Compiègne. After a preliminary detention in one of the prisons [?] in Compiègne I stayed close to two months and after I had become gravely ill from malnutrition I was sent to a hospital in Paris, the hospital “Van de Grasse” [??] was also under German control.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=950.0,983.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Well give us some particulars, of course you were not the only Russian to be called. What did they do in general with the Russian colony, considering that in speaking of the Russian colony we are compelled to speak separately of the Russians of orthodox faith and the Russian Jews. In other words, about the Russian Christians and the Russian Jews. How large was the Russian non-Jewish colony when the war started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=983.0,1015.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e At the beginning of the war the whole Russian colony counting Russians and Jews together for we did not make any distinction in our midst—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1015.0,1028.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1028.0,1029.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Consisted of approximately about forty thousand people. Among the Russians were arrested...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1029.0,1040.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Forty thousand altogether men, women, and children?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1040.0,1046.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e It seems so. The exact number no one knows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1046.0,1048.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, we are not interested in exact statistics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1048.0,1052.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e The number of arrested Russians was [about] five hundred including again the Russians and the Jews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1052.0,1064.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1064.0,1065.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e From the beginning the Regime, the powers to be treated equally the Russians and the Russian Jews. We lived together under identical conditions, we starved together and suffered equally the various inconveniences of the lager. But I must state that at the beginning the treatment was of course a thousand times better that, for instance, in the future lager Drancy, exclusively for Jews or more so in the regime in Buchenwald.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1065.0,1103.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, let us clear that up. From a military standpoint, the Germans have been interning the citizens of enemy countries as they would have done in Germany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1103.0,1119.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1119.0,1120.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e As for instance the American would have interned the Germans in their country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1120.0,1123.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1123.0,1124.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e But obviously they did not observe to a large extent the Geneva convention. Continue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1124.0,1129.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e But one must keep in mind that according to our papers we were all White Russians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1129.0,1137.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Which means...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1137.0,1138.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e That means... Anti-Soviet Russians?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1138.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Anti-Soviet Russians?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1140.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Anti-Soviet Russians? According to our papers we were anti-Soviet Russians. So the reasons for their actions were of entirely different nature. What these reasons were we were never able to find out because nobody told us why we were arrested. And the people in power differed to such an extent in status and political outlook that to find any consistent reason for our arrest was absolutely impossible for us. And so this question remains a riddle. We obviously were arrested according to some lists [of names] delivered from varous sources and compiled on different basis. And so, I return [to the previous topic], we were about 500 people Russians in the narrow sense of the word and Jews. and at first we lived under identical conditions and under identical regime, and the treatment accorded us by the German authorities of the lager was the same. But that changed comparatively soon. Since the contingent of the arrested as I stated before was most heterogeneous in its political convictions, so there appeared in our midst among the Russians, in the narrow sense of the word, some individuals who presented to the German Command a memorandum that they do not want to be imprisoned together with Jews. Obviously these people had in mind to get in the good graces [of the Germans].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1140.0,1262.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e To get where...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1262.0,1263.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e To get into the good graces.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1263.0,1264.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1264.0,1266.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e To get into the good graces of the Germans. After the presentation of this memorandum the Jews...we were separated. We were transfered to another section of the same lager behind a different wired fence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1266.0,1282.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Behind what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1282.0,1283.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Behind another wired fence without the right to communicate. In spite of that, I—with whom the German authorities communicated as the representative of the lager,—I managed to transfer again all the Jews who remained in the original section to us. I pointed out to the Germans that what they were doing is absolutely indecent, since among those Jews who remained there were people of deep conviction, enimies of the Soviet rule were people on whose money in times passed was formed the army of Volunteers. [Note: Here begins a conversation in whispers intended apparently to remain off the record, because due to the friendly relations between France and the Soviets in 1946 and the influence of the communists in France and it appeared uncomfortable to say the least, to speak openly of assistance rendered to the White armies during the counter-revolutionary attempts following the ascent of the Soviets to power. We reproduce whispers as much as possible. —D.P.B.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1283.0,1346.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Which Volunteer army? When? Continue. What kind of Volunteer army?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1346.0,1349.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e The first army, Alexiew’s. The very first army.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1349.0,1351.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e That was during the first revolution? After the first world war?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1351.0,1356.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e During the first civil war...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1356.0,1359.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, in 1918.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1359.0,1360.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . the famous “March on the Ice,” etc.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1360.0,1362.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1362.0,1365.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e And the Germans yielded to these arguments and our Jews, our comrades in imprisonement were transfered to our section. In the section where they were before remained only the French whom the Germans designated as communists [however] without sufficient grounds. Since there was no verification [of the accusations].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1365.0,1391.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean French Jews?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1391.0,1393.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e [In whispers] no, no, the communists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1393.0,1394.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e But you said that there remained the Frenchmen; what kind of Frenchmen, French Jews?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1394.0,1400.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e [It is possible that he shook his head in the negative and then continued]...in cases of attempts on the lives of the German soldiers and officers they used to take from this section those whom they shot as hostages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1400.0,1412.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e That happened in Compiègne?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1412.0,1413.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, in Compiègne.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1413.0,1414.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e How far is Compiègne from Paris?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1414.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Approximately 70 kilometers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1416.0,1422.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e What is it, a kind of military installation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1422.0,1425.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we lived in former armories, very neglected that belonged before to some French military divisions. In barracks built of stone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1425.0,1436.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Were there any beds?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1436.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e At first we had to sleep on the floor, but in about two weeks they provided iron beds and we slept in beds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1440.0,1454.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Well. Were the families permitted to visit? Did they permit to write letters?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1454.0,1458.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e The first visits were permitted after a month and a half after incarceration. Twice a month they permitted to write on postcards of government issue on which the content of the letter was printed beforehand and one had to answer the ready questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1458.0,1488.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Has any one saved such a postcard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1488.0,1492.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e I regret not to be able to say. I personally have not saved any.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1492.0,1499.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e And your family has none? No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1499.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1500.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Well continue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1500.0,1502.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Step by step, life became organized. And in our section, where there were five [Russian] university professors and two French university professors we soon started to give lectures. In the morning we delivered serious lectures, and in the evening [lectures] of more popular nature. We started to teach languages. We taught French, German, Italian, Spanish, English, and Russian. Every Sunday we organized a concert. We organized a wonderful church for there were in our midst also artists, of course the Germans soon deprived us of our church hall, claiming to need it for the storage of potatoes. To be sure, a week after our church was devastated they deposited there three sacks of potatoes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1502.0,1578.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me, were there also priests among the internees?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1578.0,1582.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e There were three priests among us. One of them a very old man who wore fetters and was a great faster. He arrived in times past from Soviet Russia, and failing to be interested in any worldly affairs he did not bother to exchange his Soviet passport. Apparently he was arrested on account of his passport. For what reason the other priests were arrested remains a matter of conjuncture. One of them was apparently arrested for secretly helping the Jews, by issuing to them certain church certificates, which he expected would save them form arrest and imprisonment. And, so I repeat, from the start the regime was not too bad. But things were getting worse, gradually worse and worse. Gradually new, stricter rules were introduced. But these regulations fell with special impact upon the Jews [in our camp]. They became a group apart not in terms of location but in terms of the treatment accorded to them. For instance when a German commission would arrive for investigation [of the status of the internees] the Jews were the last to be called. No promises of any sort were given to them. But at first there were cases when prisoners were set free. And from the start, sixteen Jews were released and in proportion a larger number of Russians were released. In the month of August, at the end of the month, I, ill from malnutrition, was transfered to a hospital [name not clear] where I underwent a very serious operation, followed by several months in bed, without moving. When I left the hospital, after a measure of improvement I found among the internees a most horrible regime. We were not sick but crushed by the imprisonment. And again the worst sufferers were the Jews. In my capacity as an elected prison trusty I represented in the hospital the Russians, French, Yugoslavs, and Americans. Only the English had their own representative. And in the capacity of such a representative I had to negotiate with the German authorities on a number of matters pertaining to the prisoners in Van de Grasse [not clear] and among them...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1582.0,1791.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Prisoners where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1791.0,1792.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e In Van de Grasse [??].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1792.0,1793.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e What was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1793.0,1794.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e A hospital, I told you that before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1794.0,1795.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes. I always try to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1795.0,1798.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes. And here I was a witness to several horrible scenes. “This is not my husband. What have you scoundrels done to him?” And the condition of the Jews among us remained all the time the same nightmare. Our situation was getting worse in the sense of stricter regulations, but except for insults and scoldings they did not perpetrate any special atrocities upon us. After ten months of incarceration I was released on account of illness, but again without any explanation as to the reasons. After that I lived in Paris, existing on lessons which I gave, and every new victory of the Red Army gave me new pupils desirous to learn the Russian language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1798.0,1870.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e From among the French?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1870.0,1874.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e French, Dutch, a few Spainiards, two three Swedes, and even one Turk. All but the Germans—since for the Germans—”I had not time”, and I refused [to accept them].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1874.0,1898.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me, how did they happen to release you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1898.0,1902.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e They set me free without giving me any reasons, just how they had arrested me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1902.0,1911.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Did your family intervee, did a lawyer intervene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1911.0,1914.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Nobody intervened, nobody intervened. I did not want that anybody of my family should plead with the Germans. During these years besides my lessons, I participated in the anti-German press of the underground. The Russian [underground] press. The newspaper—the paper which was published in the underground under the most difficult and dangerous conditions was called “The Russian Patriot”. It coincided with the birth of a new organization which calls itself now “The Soviet Patriot”, embraces a membership in excess of ten thousand and publishes a newspaper under the name “The Soviet Patriot”, of which I am at present the editor and director.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1914.0,1986.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now let us recapitulate a bit. Were there any Russians who collaborated with the Germans?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1986.0,2000.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Unfortunately there were such Russians, but I must state that among the intelligentsia, the workers with the pen such as scientists, writers there were no such people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2000.0,2026.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e There were no such people among the collaborationists?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2026.0,2029.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Hardly two - three names could be named from among writers and scientists who went along with the Germans. The rest held out very firmly, preferring to starve rather than help the enemies of our Native land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2029.0,2054.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now tell me Dimitri Michailovich, you once mentioned to me an episode, about a Russian officer who was married to a Jewish woman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2054.0,2068.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2068.0,2069.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell us about that episode with some detail [some remarks in whispers].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2069.0,2073.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I must say that a considerable part of the Russians, possibly a larger part considering the whole Russian colony, conducted themselves in a political sense very well and with firmness. But there were cases when Russians...She worked as a nurse in a French hospital [??] and was considered among the best. And so this Russian...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2073.0,2111.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e What was he, a military man?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2111.0,2115.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e At that time he was no more a military man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2115.0,2117.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, he was an ex-military man...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2117.0,2120.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e An ex-military man. And he reported to the German authorities his own wife making the following statement: “My wife is a Jewess. She is corrupting my children.” But these my children were also her children. In consequence of this report she was arrested and incarcerated in a most horrible lager which was run like a real prison for hard labor, the famous lager Drancy. When the director of the French hospital appeared at this German lager and petitioned the German commandment to set free a most useful worker at his hospital, he was faced with the most disastrous refusal, in the following words, “What are you troubling yourself, if her own husband has requested...her husband himself has petitioned that we should apprehend his wife, in view of her corrupting influence on the children. The Frenchman, the director of the hospital was unable to believe that such a thing could happen. The commandant replied: “What is there to argue about, here is the letter.” And he showed him the lelter, such things did happen...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2120.0,2227.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [In English] This concludes Spool 168. The interview with Professor Dimitri Michailovich Odinets...ahh...in Paris. [Pause, whispers and laughter] We are going over to the next spool for some short...question and answer...for a short question and answer session. Paris, September the...Paris, October the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2227.0,2260.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Chicago, July the 6th, 1950. The Spool 168 ends rather abruptly which very often used to happen. The continuation of the interview is on Spool 169. Since that part of the interview lasted only ten to twelve minutes we have decided to record it right on this same spool. This spool then will be 9-168 and 9-169A. Spool 169B contains some incidental conversations and songs taken during the last evening of my stay in Paris. Boder. This is part of the project MH156.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2260.0,2343.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Paris, October 4th, 1946. [Pause] This is Spool 169, we continue the interview with Professor Dimitri Michailovich Odinets, which begins on Spool 168.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2343.0,2360.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [In Russian] Dimitri Michailovich...what about that story which you mentioned—talked before—about the officer who betrayed his own wife. By the way is it known what hapened to her finally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2360.0,2378.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e She died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2378.0,2379.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2379.0,2380.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e In one of the German lagers, in Germany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2380.0,2384.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now tell me...what happened to him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2384.0,2390.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e His fate is not clear to me. I know only that at the time of the liberation of Paris from the Germans he was in the possession of large sums of money and walked openly through the streets of Paris. However, the authorities of liberation caught up with him and for a time he was arrested. His further fate is not known to me, but rumors have it that he was released.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2390.0,2437.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now tell me in general...give us a general picture to the extent to which you were able to observe, or read...in your capacity of the editor of a newspaper...First of all, the “Soviet Patriot” has emerged from the underground?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2437.0,2457.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2457.0,2458.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e And who publishes it now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2458.0,2461.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e The Union of Soviet Patriots...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2461.0,2464.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2464.0,2465.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e By its central board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2465.0,2467.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2467.0,2468.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e It appears once a week.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2468.0,2470.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2470.0,2471.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e Its platform is pro-Soviet. That does not mean that those who write for it are communists. People of most divergent outlooks are able to write for it, provided they satisfy one condition: that they be patriots of their Native Land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2471.0,2497.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, now tell me, how started...you were an eyewitness of the Russian revolution, you know,...how started here in France the selection, the screening out, the dispostition, so to speak, to those who collaborated with the Germans—what happened in this matter after the Germans were expelled from Paris?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2497.0,2533.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e At every police station, that is at each of twenty police stations of Paris [two words not clear] were formed special “Councils of Liberation” in charge of the cleanup.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2533.0,2549.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2549.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e These councils were composed of representatives of the so-called Resistance, that is those who, arms in hand, fought against the Germans. One must state here, that among those French forces of resistance were very many Russians. Many of course in proportion to the general number of Russians. And certain [people] among the, not small in number, were presently rewarded military decorations for their demonstrated bravery. Many were killed in battle. The Councils of Liberation were in charge of calling to account of persons who had discredited themselves by collaboration with the Germans. of course often occurred great misunderstandings, especially in the early days when people were apprehended sometimes on sheer suspicion and at times due to dishonest accusations. I personally was heading in those days the legal committee within the newly formed organization the Union of Soviet Patriots. This committee devoted itself to the review of complaints of people who came to it claiming false incarceration or arrest. I must tell that the French authorities heeded to a very high degree to our conclusions, the conclusions of our legal committee, which I was heading. In consequence this committe was able to attain the release of numerous innocent individuals, who were apprehended due to error. But this committee did not occupy itself with extrication of “criminal” elements. 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But fortunately it lasted only a few days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2711.0,2724.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e What was that all about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2724.0,2726.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e It was like this. Women who were suspected or actally proved to have had intimate dealings with the Germans, these women were submitted to shaving of their heads; on their faces and shaven heads were painted the sign of the Swastika, and not seldom they were paraded through the streets. Such vehicles were followed by crowds of children and it was in all respects a horrible sight [Note: My personal inquiries suggest that by “dealings with the Germans”—was meant betrayal of maquis, and general collaboration in terms of betrayal of Jewish neighbors, or underground activities. —D.P.B.].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2726.0,2766.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e So you consider that an inappropriate expression of popular wrath?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2766.0,2772.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e I consider that such a form [of expression] was unworthy of the French people. And in particular, the Americans and the English who were then in Paris were most sincerely provoked by it. At least many of them demonstrated their indignation. These things were done without any trial, they were perpetrated by the mob.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2772.0,2800.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now then. What do you intend to do in Russia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2800.0,2807.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e In Russia I plan to continue my scientific work. I have hope that I will be able to obtain a chair in the University of Tiflis, or how it is now called, not Tiflis, but Tbilisi in Grusian. I am unable to return to Leningrad on account of my health—because as a consequence of all that I had gone through here—at one time I was paralyzed, my whole right side was paralyzed, now I have recuperated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2807.0,2848.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e You look very well now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2848.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e I have recovered, but the results of this illness make themselves felt. This is the price which I finally paid as a consequence of my detention in a German concentration camp...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2850.0,2865.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Dimitri Michailovitch, last night at supper we happened to mention casually one of the versions of the origin, of the racial origin of the Russian Jews. Could you sum up for me this material.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2865.0,2879.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e For me as an historian it appears beyond any question that an overwhelming percent of persons of Jewish faith who lived in Russia are not of Semitic origin but Turks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2879.0,2905.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Are the Turks not Semites?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2905.0,2906.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they are a different race [that the Jews were] Turks. The Jewish religion was prevalent among the ruling strata of the Khazar [?]. In the 7th century the Khazars were a strong and powerful empire, which spread in part over the Caucasus, in part over the lower basin of the Volga. Their prestige was so great that even the Byzantine emperors intermarried with them. The Khazars were zealously proselyting [people] into the Jewish religion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2906.0,2950.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e But how did the Khazars themselves happen to become converted into Judaism?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2950.0,2954.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e This question was once posed by the Califf of Cardoz [Cordova, Spain] to his advisers in matters of finances—a Jew Chas Da”i’ Ibn-Shaprut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2954.0,2971.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e In what year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2971.0,2973.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e That was...of course in the 7th century.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2973.0,2975.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2975.0,2976.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e The Chas Da’i’ Ibn-Shaprut has dispatched an interesting letter to the Jewish...to the Khazar Tzar Joseph [??]. The letter was carried to him through all of Europe by a Jewish trading organization Rodanitza [??]. Rodanitza comes from the word Rodansk [?] Ronsk [?] Riga [?]. It was delivered this letter—through Kiev to Joseph the Tzar of the Khazars and both have reached our times—the letter as well as the reply of Tzar Joseph. It was a reply also of his financial adviser. These documents were found in 1912 in the synagouge in Cairo. And so when Ibn-Shaprut asked Joseph how did it come to happen that in the distant east there is a kingdom of true believers who profess the true faith, the faith of the Jews. To this Joseph answered with an historical legend: It happened once that the Khazars found themselves in a very difficult strategic position, and here there appeared an unknown youth—an experienced military leader who beat off the enemy. This youth was of Jewish faith and the victory made such an impression that the whole upper strata [of the khazars] have adopted the Jewish religion. So says Tzar Joseph of the Khazars [Footnote: See remarks at the end of the chapter.]. Exact information on this question is not available.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2976.0,3082.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Dimitri Michailovitch is there anything you would like to tell the American scientists as a result of your experiences during the war and in Europe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3082.0,3094.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e There is so much to tell the American scientists. Having lived in France more than 25 years I have been doing scientific work under very difficult conditions, I most sincerely envied my American colleagues because they were able to pursue their scientific work always under exceptionally favorable conditions with the support of the people and the American government. As an historian I might say that among the American historians there are a great many names of world significance. Personally I became acquainted with the eminent historian Shotwell [??]—the head editor of a publication of many volumes undertaken by the Carnegie Institute on “Influence of War on the Life of a Country.” In the case of us the Russian scientists with reference to Russia [I was commissioned to write] a book on the subject: the lower and middle level schools under the impact of the war between the years 1914-1918. Shotwell made upon me the finest impression as a genuine representative of scientific thought and as an exceptionally fascinating person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3094.0,3223.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, anything else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3223.0,3227.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDimitri Odinets:\u003c/strong\u003e [in whispers] no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3227.0,3231.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [In English] This concludes the interview of great interest with...ah...Professor Dimitri Michailovitch Odinets, a leader of the Russian colony in Paris. Paris, October the 4th, 1946, Illinois Institute of Technology wire recording, taken at the Grand Hotel. [Pause] Professor Odinets wants a correction. He is not the leader of the Russian colony, he considers that he is one of possible representatives or leaders but the colony is by no means something a unified group of unique convictions, tendencies and interests. Well, we will make that correction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3231.0,3302.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Chicago, July 6th, 1950. This concludes spool 9-169A. Two spools are on this reproduction, 9-168 and 9-169A. The other part of Spool 169 contains some rather irrelevant material. This reproduction is part of a project supported in part by a research grant from the National Institute of Mental Health, United States Public Health. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3302.0,3302.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Remarks (to page 22): There is more to the story about the Khazars. The evening before in an informal conversation with me and some other friends Odinets told us the following. Like the German Jews who expected to save themselves by trying to separate themselves from the Polish and other eastern Jews in the sense that the latter due to lack of culture and breeding may be well deserving of Hitler's persecutions, so among the French Jews, especially among the well-to-do there appeared individuals who in despair and panic at the advent of the Germans were toying with the idea fo finding some means to convince Hitler that they were a group by themselves not in any way \"related\" to the eastern Jews. They suggested that Professor Odinets, an historian of note and whose \"aryan\" origin was never questioned could be commissioned to write a book which would prove to the public that \"the inherent racial characteristics of the eastern Jews\" which make them deserving of all measures of genocide perpetrated by Hitler are borne by them because they were really not Jews of the original Semitic origin but descendants of the Khazars who had adopted the Jewish religion in the 7th century and were descendants of Asiatic tribes of so-called Turkish origin from whom they have \"inherited\" all their barbaric traits and racial insufficiency. The French Jews then who claimed to be the descendants of the descendants of the real Semites were the real bearers of the virtues of God's people which was so well demonstrated by the fine behavior, culture and high acheivements of the French Jews. Odinets alleged that the Germans for a time listened favorably to this proposition since it would also have been a face-saving device in the more lenient treatment of the French Jews, at least the rich ones, which supposedly was demanded by Marshall P\u0026eacute;tain. However, a hitch developed with Odinets's theory that the Khazars were of Turk origin (a fact, by the way, disputed by many authorities). The Germans were flirting with the Turks and could ill afford a scholarly treatise which would offend the Turks and in addition call anew attention to Nazi inconsistencies. The proposition of the book was tabled. An extensive amd somewhat sentimental account on Chas Da'i' Ibn-Shaprut and his correspondence with the Khazars may be found in Graetz, \"History of the Jews\", Volume III, pp. 214-230. Additional data on the Khazars are available in the same volume, pp. 123 ff. \u0026mdash;D.P.B.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3302.0,3359.74675"}]},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8049/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/008/049/original/transcript_1732641167.vtt20241126-545-x6cgnb.vtt20241126-545-x6cgnb?1732641167","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/008/049/original/transcript_1732641167.vtt20241126-545-x6cgnb.vtt20241126-545-x6cgnb?1732641167"}]},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Russian transcription [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] Paris, September the 4th, 1950...excuse me...Paris, October the 4th, 1946, at Grand Hotel. This is apparently the last interview in Paris. The interviewee is Professor Dimitri Michailovitch Odinets, ah...a professor of history, of Russian history, and educator, a former director of...ah...gymnasium, a professor of several universities and at one time a member of the cabinet of the Ukrainian regional government. He will talk to us in Russian. [Pause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=6.139,58.735"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In Russian] Димитрий Михайлович, будьте добры, скажите нам сперва вкратце Ваши официальные, так сказать, ну, занятия или Вашу официальную карьеру, скажем, начиная с 19...эээ...12го года. Только в...так сказать, в маленьких фактических таких местах. Начнём с того, значит, когда мы вместе работали в Димитриевской Гимназии в Петербурге, на Невском. И Вы же тогда были нашим профессором в Психоневрологическом институте, так? Вам теперь что? 62 года?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=58.735,98.486"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: 62 года.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=98.486,99.953"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: 62 года. Вот...тогда, значит, только в нескольких словах. Начнёмте с 1912 года и пойдём.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=99.953,106.271"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Начиная с 1912 года я был...сначала был преподавателем ряда гимназий в Петербурге, потом директором гимназии им. Столбцова – полноправной мужской гимназии, профессором Психоневрологического института, профессором на Высших женских курсах Раева. Со времени революции февральской 1917 года я был командирован Центральным Временным...я был командирован Временным правительством в Киев, чтоб там сделаться министром по великорусским делам, т.е. защищать русских людей от возможного украинского шовинизма.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=106.271,168.924"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Продолжайте.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=168.924,172.984"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: На посту министра по великорусским делам я пробыл около года и вышел в отставку после того, как гетманом украинским был избран Скоропадский – человек определённо правый уб...и реакционных убеждений. После этого меня избрали председателем Союза возрождения России, южного его комитета. На этом месте я пережил в Киеве около двенадцати революций, когда одна власть меняла другую. Наконец, в конце 20-го года, при приближении большевиков к Киеву я вышел пешком из Киева в Одессу. Пешком, ибо тогда не было железных дорог. И, наконец, из Одессы в 25-ом году, в самом начале, сделавшись пулемётчиком, окончив английскую пулемётную школу, я вышел в составе военного отряда, чтобы пробиться за границу. Из нашего отряда – три с половиной тысячи человек – осталось в живых приблизительно тридцать шесть.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=172.984,266.287"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Пробивались Вы через какие войска?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=266.287,268.411"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Через большевистские войска. Да, приблизительно тысяча человек. В Румынии я был интернирован, но через месяца через два вместDimitriev е со своими...эээ...компатриотами, также интернированными, мы были выпущены и попали в Сербию. Из Сербии, где я некоторое время был директором гимназии русской в Белграде, я переехал в Варшаву, из Варшавы, наконец, попал в Париж, где и нахожусь в настоящее время. Деятельность моя в Париже заключалась в следующем: вместе с моим страшим другом, Димитриевым, мы основали в Париже Русский народный университет.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=268.411,319.465"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Это был тот же самый Димитриев, который потом перенял, так сказать,...эээ...некоторым образом попечительство Столбцовской гимназией?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=319.465,328.418"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Тот же самый, который здесь был так же активен, как и в Петербурге. Кроме того, я был здесь председателем [пауза] Русского педагогического общества Франции, профессором и инспектором основанного нами здесь Франко-русского института, [неразборчиво] юридического факультета. Был генеральным секретарём Русского академического союза во Франции, каковым остаюсь здесь. Написал несколько книг. Это всё.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=328.418,366.009"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так. Хорошо, Дмитрий Михайлович, и в настоящее время Вы что, редактором...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=366.009,371.336"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Я редактор газеты «Советский патриот», член Центрального комитета Союза советский патриотов, продолжая оставаться...эээ...генеральным секретарём Русского академического союза. Да, я забыл ещё...ммм...– председателем правления Тургеневской библиотеки, которая была вывезена и конфискована немцами.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=371.336,397.623"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так как мы на Тургеневской библиотеке, скажите нам несколько слов о ней, и в каковом положении это дело?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=397.623,403.92"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Тургеневская библиотека основана при непосредственном участии известного русского писателя, Ивана Сергеевича Тургенева, в 1876 году. Постепенно она пополнялась книгами...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=403.92,417.545"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: . . . она не была только книгами Тургенева, это была вообще библиотека?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=417.545,426.551"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Это была вообще библиотека. Публичная библиотека, которая постепенно разрасталась и сделалась, наконец, очень ценным книгохранилищем. Все крупные французские учёные [неразборчиво] там постоянно бывали. Бывали, конечно, без исключения и все тогдашние [неразборчиво] русские эмигранты. Среди этих эмигрантов известных постоянно бывал в библиотеке и Ленин в бытность свою в Париже. Администрация библиотеки выборная, ибо библиотека принадлежит всем подписчикам, и я состоял в течение трёх последних лет выборным председателем правления. [Пауза] Город Париж, ценя библиотеку, дал нам прекрасное помещение. Книг всех было к началу войны до 110 тысяч названий, таким образом, томов было значительно больше. Когда немцы появились в Париже, названию выдвигали автора.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=426.551,501.782"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Да, да, да, объясните. [Неразборчиво]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=501.782,505.102"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Да. Название - это значит автор. Например, Гоголь «Собрание сочинений» - это одно название, но томов там много.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=505.102,515.732"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: 24.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=515.732,516.927"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Да, да, да. Может быть, и 24 – зависит от издания.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=516.927,520.356"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Я, видите, всё вспоминаю «Ниву», которая издавала писателей в 24 томах.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=520.356,525.313"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Таким образом, Тургеневская библиотека сделалась самой богатой русской библиотекой за границей, частью касающейся старой, не советского издательства, а царского. После того, как немцы взяли Париж, ещё до войны с Советской Россией, они предложили мне как председателю правления у...от имени правительства...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=525.313,555.774"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Немцы Вам предложили?!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=555.774,556.524"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Немцы. От имени правительства купить эту библиотеку, говоря, что...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=556.524,563.991"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: От имени немецкого?!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=563.991,565.907"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: От имени немецкого правительства.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=565.907,568.454"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Зачем им нужна была библиотека?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=568.454,571.047"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Представитель Розенфельда...Розенберга, простите, который посещал библиотеку нашу, с ней познакомился, сказал, что библиотека очень интересная, и что немецкое правительство желает в силу этого её приобрести. Полагаю, что они имели ввиду перевезти эту библиотеку для «Ост Ойропа Институт» Розенберга. Когда я отказался продать немцам библиотеку, [пауза] ввиду того, что она мне не принадлежит, и ввиду того, что я не хотел этого делать, на следующий день библиотека была ликвидирована. Часть книг нам удалось спасти, но девять десятых было увезено в Германию, где библиотека находится и по настоящее время. Только в самое последнее время нам удалось найти её следы...эээ...в Германии, в зоне советской оккупации, и можно думать, что с помощью нашего представительства здесь, мы эту библиотеку – или то, что от неё осталось, - всё-таки получим. Но пока это вопрос...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=571.047,654.857"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: . . . получите для Парижа?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=654.857,656.169"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Для Парижа. Но пока это вопрос ещё не...[неразборчиво] недостаточно быстро.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=656.169,660.261"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Хорошо. Ну, теперь, значит, начнёмте-ка сначала. Будьте добры, передайте нам – я знаю, что Вы историк, - но я собираю, главным образом, переживания очевидцев.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=660.261,679.369"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Так.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=679.369,680.302"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: И передайте нам...эээ...и расскажите нам то, что произошло лично с Вами и Вашей семьёй, оценивая события, конечно, - Вы иначе не можете, - начиная...с момента...эээ...германского нашествия на Польшу.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=680.302,700.733"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: В момент германского нашествия на Польшу мы...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=700.733,707.735"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [Неразборчиво]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=707.735,710.813"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Да, да, да....мы, русские, находящиеся в Париже, хотя в то время Советская Россия находилась в союзе с Германией, я...мы понимали, что война неотвратима и немцы неизбежны. Что рано или поздно немцы нападут на Россию. И вот тогда, в предвидении этих событий, я порвал...порвал со своим эмигрантским прошлым и в первый раз пошёл в Советское посольство, сказавши там, что я прихожу туда потому, что я убеждён, что России грозит опасность, и что как русский человек, в силу своего патриотизма, в этот момент я должен быть со своей страной. Я был очень хорошо принят.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=710.813,776.586"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Как была фамилия посла тогда?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=776.586,778.774"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Посол Богомолов, но он находился тогда в Виши. А в Париже находился заместитель посла Лев Александрович Тарасов, исключительно милый и культурный человек. Мы с ним встречались несколько раз, и для меня сделалось совершенно очевидным, что в вопросах русско-германских отношений мы стоим на одной почве и говорим одним языком. Тогда я и решил, что мне надлежит вернуться к себе на Родину, заявил об этом Тарасову, и Тарасов предпринял известные шаги. Но это было поздно. Естественно, через несколько дней вспыхнула война. Немцы напали на Россию, и я остался во Франции, в Париже, где и нахожусь по сегодняшний день, не теряя, однако, надежды и являясь абсолютно уверенным, что сравнительно скоро я вернусь, наконец, к себе на Родину.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=778.774,860.086"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так вот. Значит, это было, когда началась война. Ну, что произошло, значит, когда немцы напали на Францию, и вот Ваша личная жизнь и жизнь...эээ...то, что Вы лично обозревали.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=860.086,879.905"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Когда немцы напали на Францию...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=879.905,885.108"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: То есть напали уже на Россию - эту фазу.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=885.108,888.326"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Когда немцы напали на Россию, то в тот же день утром я был арестован немцами. Они меня отвезли в главное отделение гестапо [неразборчиво] в Париже и предложили мне ехать с ними в Петербург.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=888.326,909.242"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [Неразборчиво]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=909.242,910.117"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: В Петербург, потому что, добавили они: «Мы нуждаемся в интеллигентных силах». А как Вы знаете, интеллигенция там была уничтожена. «Так хотите Вы с нами ехать или нет? Или Вы предпочитаете навсегда остаться вне России?» На этот вопрос я ответил категорическим отказом ехать работать вместе с немцами, в результате чего был отправлен в концентрационный лагерь в Компьене.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=910.117,949.169"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Компьен?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=949.169,950.872"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Компьен, где, предварительно просидевши в одном из дворцов. В Компьене я прожил месяц...около двух месяцев. И тяжко заболевши от недоедания, был отправлен в Париж в больницу, там же находившись под немецким контролем, в Валь-де-Грас.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=950.872,983.818"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Хорошо. Дайте-ка нам кое-какие подробности. Эээ...т.е. они Вас не единственного из русских вызвали. Что сделали они вообще с той русской...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=983.818,995.464"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Колонией?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=995.464,995.772"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: . . . колонией, предпочитая очевидно, что под русской колонией нам приходится говорить отдельно о русских православных и о русских евреях. Или о русских христиан и русских евреях. Как велика была тут русская нееврейская колония в...эээ...когда война началась?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=995.772,1015.921"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Когда война началась, то вся русская колония считала...считая русских евреев, вместе взятых, ибо мы в своей среде разницы не делали...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1015.921,1028.222"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1028.222,1029.253"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: . . . равнялась приблизительно сорока тысячам. Арестованных...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1029.253,1040.44"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Было русских сорока тысяч мужчины, женщины и дети?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1040.44,1046.455"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Кажется, да. Цифры точные никто не знает.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1046.455,1048.666"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Да, да, да. Я именно хочу оценку. Я не беру цифры...такую настоящую цифру.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1048.666,1052.791"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Арестованных нас было [пауза] пятьсот человек.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1052.791,1064.619"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Русских?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1064.619,1065.478"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Опять таки, считая сюда русских и евреев. Режим...власть вначале для русских и...эээ...русских евреев был одинаковым. Мы жили вместе в одинаковых условиях, одинаково голодали и одинаково терпели от различных лагерных неудобств. Но должен сказать, что вначале режим, конечно, был в тысячу раз лучше, чем, скажем, режим в будущем лагере, чисто еврейском в Дранси, и тем более, чем режим в Бухенвальде.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1065.478,1103.675"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так. [Неразборчиво] Ведь с точки зрения, так сказать, военной, немцы интернировали...эээ...граждан враждебных держав, как бы они интернировали бы их в Германии.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1103.675,1119.193"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Так.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1119.193,1120.193"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Как американцы интернировали бы, скажем, немцев, у себя. Ну, да. Только они, очевидно, Женевскую конвенцию не особо соблюдали. Ну, дальше.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1120.193,1129.13"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Но нужно иметь ввиду, что по бумагам мы все были белые русские.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1129.13,1137.412"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Что это значит? Антисоветские русские","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1137.412,1140.849"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Т. е. по бумагам антисоветские русские. Таким образом, соображения, которыми они руководились, были иного порядка. Какие были эти соображения, мы так узнать не могли, ибо никто нам не сказал, почему мы арестованы. И люди, которые были в лагере, были столь различны – по своему положению, по своим политическим убеждениям, - что найти какой-то общий принцип, почему мы были арестованы, для нас было совершенно невозможно. Так этот вопрос и остаётся загадкой. Очевидно, нас арестовывали по каким-то спискам, пришедшим из разных источников и составленных на основании различных поводов. Итак, я возвращаюсь назад. Нас было около пятисот человек: русских в узком смысле слова и евреев. И вначале мы жили в одинаковых условиях и в одинаковом режиме, и отношение немецких властей лагерных к нам было одинаково. Но это изменилось сравнительно скоро. Так как состав наш был очень, как я сказал, разнообразен по убеждениям, то нашлись в нашей среде, в среде русских в узком смысле этого слова несколько человек, которые подали немецкому командованию записки о том, что они не желают сидеть вместе с евреями.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1140.849,1260.699"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1260.699,1261.605"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Очевидно, эти люди думали таким образом выслужиться. [Пауза]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1261.605,1262.581"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ну, и что?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1262.581,1263.05"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Выслужиться.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1263.05,1264.646"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ага.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1264.646,1266.346"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Перед немцами. [Пауза] После подачи этой записки мы были отде...евреи были от нас отделены. Нас перевели в тот же...в другую часть того же лагеря, за другую проволоку.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1266.346,1282.081"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: За что?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1282.081,1283.425"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: За другую проволоку, без права общения. Тем не менее, мне, с которым немецкие власти как с представителем лагеря, тогда сносились – мне удалось перевести и всех евреев, которые остались на прежнем месте, к нам. Я указал немцам, что то, что они делают – совершенно...совершенное безобразие. Ибо среди евреев, которые остались там, есть люди глубоко принципиальные. Противники Советской власти. Есть люди, которые...на деньги которых образовалась в своё время добровольческая армия.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1283.425,1330.627"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [Неразборчиво, очень тихо]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1330.627,1338.476"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Да, да, да.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1338.476,1339.331"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ну, дальше.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1339.331,1340.217"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: В то время, когда среди нас есть люди некоторые...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1340.217,1346.718"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Добровольческой армией когда? Которая это была?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1346.718,1349.54"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Первой, [неразборчиво] самой первой.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1349.54,1351.934"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Это...во время первой революции...во время первой войны.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1351.934,1356.848"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Во время первой гражданской войны.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1356.848,1359.105"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Да, да. В 18-ом году.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1359.105,1360.818"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Вот ледяной поход знаменитый, вот это тогда.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1360.818,1362.858"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Да.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1362.858,1365.243"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: И немцы склонились перед этими аргументами.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1365.243,1368.168"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Да.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1368.168,1369.375"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: И евреи, наши коллеги по заточению, были к нам переведены в нашу половину...эээ...В той половине, где они были, оставив только французов, которых...которых немцы называли коммунистами - без достаточного на то основания, ибо проверки не было.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1369.375,1391.857"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Вы говорите, французские евреи?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1391.857,1393.498"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Нет.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1393.498,1394.852"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Нет, нет. Но остались, Вы говорите, французы? Какие французы? Французские евреи?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1394.852,1400.1"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: . . . при покушении на немецких солдат и офицеров из этого именно отдела брали тех, кого расстреливали как заложника.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1400.1,1412.04"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Это было в Компьене?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1412.04,1413.774"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: В Компьене.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1413.774,1414.571"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Как далеко Компьен от Парижа?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1414.571,1416.961"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Приблизительно 70км.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1416.961,1422.595"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Это что? Военное какое-то поселение или что это?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1422.595,1425.232"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Мы жили в бывших казармах - очень запу...запущенных – каких-то французских воинских частей. Каменные бараки.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1425.232,1436.253"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так. Что у вас были – кровати?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1436.253,1440.487"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Вначале пришлось спать на полу, но приблизительно недели через две нам привезли железные постели, и мы спали на постелях.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1440.487,1454.001"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так. Семьям позволяли приходить, письма позволяли писать?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1454.001,1458.832"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Первые свидания были разрешены через полтора месяца заключения. [Пауза] Писать можно было [кашляет] два раза в месяц на открытках казённого образца, где содержание письма было дано заранее, нужно было только отвечать на поставленные...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1458.832,1487.155"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Вопросы?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1487.155,1487.539"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: . . . вопросы.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1487.539,1488.077"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Сохранилась у кого-нибудь такая открытка?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1488.077,1492.514"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Нн...к сожалению, не могу сказать. У меня лично нет этой открытки. У меня лично нет.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1492.514,1499.467"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: У семьи Вашей нет?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1499.467,1500.344"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Нет.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1500.344,1500.957"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1500.957,1502.451"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Жизнь мало-помалу организовывалась. И в нашем отделении, где было пять университетских докторов и два французских университетских профессора, мы скоро начали читать лекции. Читали утром серьёзные лекции, вечером – более доступные. Мы стали преподавать языки. У нас преподавались языки: французский, немецкий, итальянский, испанский, английский и русский. Каждое воскресенье устраивали концерт. [Пауза] Организовали прекрасную церковь, так как в нашей среде были художники. [Неразборчиво] сравнительно скоро немцы отобрали это помещение для церкви, сказавши, что оно нужно им для того, чтобы там хранить картофель. И действительно, приблизительно через неделю после того, как церковь наша была уничтожена, они привели туда...привезли туда три мешка картофеля.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1502.451,1578.545"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Скажите, были священники интернированы?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1578.545,1582.669"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: В нашей среде было три священника. И один старый, носивший [неразборчиво], большой постник. Он приехал в своё время из Советской России и, как не интересующийся совсем земными делами, не спешил отменять свой советский паспорт. По-видимому, он был арестован за свой паспорт. За что были арестованы другие священники – об этом мы можем только догадываться. Один, по-видимому, был арестован за то, что он явно помогал евреям, выдавая им различные церковные удостоверения, которые по их...по его мнению, могли избавить их от ареста и заключения. [Пауза] Ну, вообщем режим, повторяю, был не очень плохой. Но он ухудшался, постепенно ухудшался. Постепенно вводились всё новые и новые строгости. Но эти строгости с особенной силой обрушились у нас на евреев. Их стали выделять не географически, а по обращению. Например, когда приезжала какая-нибудь комиссия немецкая для опроса, евреи шли в последний [неразборчиво]. Им не давались никакие обещания. Но в первое время были случаи освобождения заключённых, и среди освобождённых в первое время были освобождены около 16 евреев, и пропорционально больше было освобождено больше русских. В августе месяце, в конце, заболев от недоедания, я был переведён в Валь-де-Грас, где подвёргся...где подвергся очень тяжёлой операции, пролежавши несколько месяцев без движения на постели. После того, как я вышел, поправившись немножко, я застал уже в отделении для интернированных ужасный режим. [Пауза] Мы были не больные...не больными, а действительно тюремными [неразборчиво]. Но опять же, хуже всех приходилось евреям. В качестве тюремного старосты, выборного – если можно так сказать, - я представлял в больнице русских, французов, югославов и американцев. Только англичане имели своего представителя. Вот в качестве этого представителя мне приходилось объясняться с немецкими властями по ряду всех касающихся заключенных в Валь-де-Грасе. И в том числе...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1582.669,1791.751"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Заключённых где?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1791.751,1792.579"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: В Валь-де-Грасе.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1792.579,1793.173"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Это что такое?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1793.173,1794.298"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Больница.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1794.298,1795.798"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: А, да, да [неразборчиво, очень тихо]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1795.798,1798.157"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: И вот тут я был свидетелями...свидетелем некоторых ужасных сцен.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1798.157,1805.801"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1805.801,1807.092"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: «Этот не мой муж! Что вы с ним, негодяи, сделали?!» И положение евреев у нас всё время оставалось таким же кошмарным. Наше положение ухудшалось, были строгости, но кроме грубых сцен, криков, [неразборчиво, очень тихо] мер остальных к нам не применяли. Эээ...после десяти месяцев заключения я был освобождён как больной, но опять-таки без объяснений причин. После чего жил в Париже, существуя на те уроки, которые я давал, причём каждая победа Красной Армии давала мне новых учеников, желающих...желавших изучать русский язык.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1807.092,1870.349"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Из французов?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1870.349,1874.286"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Ученики были французы, голландцы, несколько испанцев, [пауза] два-три шведа и даже один турок. Все были, кроме немцев. Для немцев у меня не находилось времени, я отказывался.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1874.286,1898.242"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: А скажите вот что: каким образом Вас освободили?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1898.242,1902.304"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Освободили меня без объяснения причины. Так же, как и арестовали.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1902.304,1911.412"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Что, семья хлопотала? Адвокат хлопотал?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1911.412,1914.005"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Никто не хлопотал. Никто не хлопотал. Я не хотел, чтоб кто-нибудь из моей семьи обращался к немцам с просьбой. Вот...кроме уроков вот эти годы я участвовал в подпольной антинемецкой прессе, в русской. Газета, выходившая в подполье, в очень тяжёлых и опасных условиях, называлась «Русский патриот». Это было вместе с тем и рождение новой организации, которая...часть которой потом вышла [неразборчиво] вот той организации, которая теперь называется Советский патриот, [пауза] заключает в себе свыше 10 000 членов и издаёт газету под названием «Советский патриот», редактором которой и директором я в настоящее время и состою. [Пауза]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1914.005,1986.826"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ну, сейчас, значит, рекапитулируем немножко. Были русские, которые...эээ...коллаборировали с немцами?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1986.826,2000.887"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: К сожалению, такие русские были. Но я должен сказать, что интеллигентная среда, среда работников пера, представители науки, писатели, таких людей не было. Можно...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2000.887,2026.446"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Не было среди них коллаборантов?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2026.446,2029.571"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Можно назвать два-три имени всего лишь из писательского или учёного мира, которые пошли вместе с немцами. Остальные держались очень стойко [помехи], предпочитая голодать, но не помогать врагам нашей Родины. [Пауза]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2029.571,2054.262"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Скажите, Димитрий Михайлович, [пауза] Вы мне как-то рассказали один эпизод о русском военном, который был женат на еврейке. Эээ...расскажите нам этот эпизод с некоторыми подробностями, пожалуйста.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2054.262,2073.139"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Итак, я должен сказать, что значительная часть русских, может быть, большая часть, [неразборчиво] вело себя в отношении...в отношении...эээ...в политическом отношении очень хорошо и стойко. Но бывали и случаи другого порядка. Бывали случаи, когда русские люди...в этот момент мы...[неразборчиво] была там на очень хорошем счету. И вот этот русский...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2073.139,2111.299"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Он что, был военный или...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2111.299,2115.424"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Он был...в этот момент он не был военный.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2115.424,2117.846"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ага. Ну да, он бывший военный.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2117.846,2120.033"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Бывший. И он донёс немецким властям на свою собственную жену в сле..., сказавши следующее: «Это же...моя жена – еврейка. Она развращает моих детей». Но эти «мои» дети были также и её. По этому доносу она была арестована и заключена в самый ужасный лагерь, представлявший собой настоящую каторжную тюрьму в лагере – прославленный ныне лагерь – Дранси. Когда директор французской больницы поехал в этот лагерь немецкий и просил у немецкого коменданта отпустить на свободу в высокой степени полезную работницу его больницы, он встретился с грубым отказом со словами: «О чём Вы хлопочете, когда сам муж просил, чтобы мы арестовали её. Сам муж хлопотал о том, чтобы мы задержали его жену в её бледное...её вредное влияние на своих детей». Француз, директор больницы, не поверил, что нечто подобное может совершиться, на что комендант ему сказал: «Да что долго говорить. Вот Вам письмо». И показал это письмо. Такие случаи бывали. Бывали...[пауза]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2120.033,2227.298"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] This concludes Spool 168. The interview with Professor Dimitri Michailovich Odinets...ahh...in Paris. [Pause, whispers and laughter] We are going over to the next spool for some short...question and answer...for a short question and answer session. Paris, September the...Paris, October the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2227.298,2260.023"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Chicago, July the 6th, 1950. The Spool 168 ends rather abruptly which very often used to happen. The continuation of the interview is on Spool 169. Since that part of the interview lasted only ten to twelve minutes we have decided to record it right on this same spool. This spool then will be 9-168 and 9-169A. Spool 169B contains some incidental conversations and songs taken during the last evening of my stay in Paris. Boder. This is part of the project M.H. 156.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2260.023,2343.548"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Paris, October 4th, 1946. [Pause] This is Spool 169, we continue the interview with Professor Dimitri Michailovich Odinets, which begins on Spool 168.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2343.548,2360.015"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In Russian] Димитрий Михайлович, вот эту историю, которую [неразборчиво] военный, который донёс на свою собственную жену. Больше неизвестно, что с ней случилось?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2360.015,2378.638"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Она умерла.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2378.638,2379.997"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Где?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2379.997,2380.7"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: В одном из немецких лагерей, в Германии.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2380.7,2384.621"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: А скажите, а с ним что случилось?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2384.621,2390.339"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Судьба его мне не ясна. [Пауза] Знаю одно, что в момент освобождения от...Парижа от немцев он был с очень крупными деньгами и ходил открыто по улицам Парижа. На него, тем не менее, органы освобождения обратили внимание, и одно время он был арестован. Дальнейшая судьба его мне не известна. По слухам, он всё же был выпущен.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2390.339,2437.077"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так, а...так, а скажите вообще...эээ...дайте нам какую-нибудь картины вообще...эээ...насколько Вы могли обозревать или читать или как редактор газеты...эээ...Во-первых, этот «Советский патриот» тогда вышел из подполья?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2437.077,2457.45"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Да.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2457.45,2458.043"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так. И кем он теперь издаётся?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2458.043,2461.276"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Союзом советских патриотов.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2461.276,2464.698"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2464.698,2465.573"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Его центральным органом.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2465.573,2467.057"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2467.057,2468.979"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Выходит раз в неделю.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2468.979,2470.978"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2470.978,2471.728"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Позиции его просоветские. Это не значит, что те, кто пишет там, является коммунистом. Там могут писать люди самого различного миросозерцания, но при одном непременном условии, чтоб они были патриотами своей Родины.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2471.728,2497.357"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так, ну, а скажите, это...как вообще началась – Вы же пережили русские революции, знаете, - как началось тут во Франции это...ммм...пересортирование или вообще разбор и...эээ...регуляции, если хотите,...эээ...тех, которые сотрудничали с немцами? Что потом произошло в этом направлении...эээ...когда немцев выгнали из Парижа.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2497.357,2533.478"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: [Пауза] При каждой мэрии – это значит при 20 мэриях Парижа [неразборчиво] были основаны особые комитеты «Либерасьон».","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2533.478,2549.613"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2549.613,2550.426"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Эти комитеты составлялись из...ммм...представителей так называемого «Резистанс», т.е. те, которые с оружием в руках боролись с немцами. В частности, в среде этих резистанцев-французов было очень много русских. Много, конечно, пропорционально большинству русских. Некоторые из них – немало даже – награждены теперь знаками военного отличия за проявленную ими храбрость. Многие были убиты в этой войне, как здесь называется война [неразборчиво]. Так вот, эти комиссии [пауза] «Либерасьон» занимались тем, что они привлекали к ответственности лиц, себя компрометировавших с немцами. Конечно, на этой почве не раз возникали весьма крупные недоразумения, в особенности в первые дни, когда арестовывались люди иногда по простому подозрению или по недобросовестному доносу. Мне лично в эти дни пришлось стоять в возникшей уже организации «Русского патриота» во главе юридической комиссии в составе нашей организации. Эта комиссия занималась тем, что она рассматривала жалобы лиц, обращавшихся к ней с указанием на неправильность заключений или арестов. Я должен сказать, что французские власти с нашими заключениями – заключениями вот этой юридической комиссии, во главе которой я стоял, - в высокой степени считались. Так что этой комиссии удалось освободить немало невинных лиц, арестованных [пауза] по недоразумению. Но эта комиссия не занималась тем, чтоб она вылавливала преступный элемент. Мы только заступались за тех, которые такого заступничества заслуживали.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2550.426,2700.379"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Скажите, между прочим, что это вот, что мы видали в кинематографах и стрижки волос у французских женщин и так далее. Что это была за...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2700.379,2711.55"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Это было, по многим мнениям, очень...ммм...нехорошая вещь. Но она продолжалась, к счастью, только несколько дней.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2711.55,2724.532"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: В чём это состояло?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2724.532,2726.579"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: В том, что женщин, заподозренных или уличённых в близких отношениях с немцами – этих женщин обри...им обривали голову...голову, писали краской на щеках и на голой голове знак свастики и нередко возили на показ по улицам. За такой колесницей следовали толпы мальчишек, и вообще это зрелище было...эээ...во всех отношениях уж...ужасным.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2726.579,2766.12"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: А Вы думаете, что это было неправильное выражение неродного негодования?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2766.12,2772.744"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Я считаю, что эта форма была недостойная французов. И всякий американец, англичане, которые были тогда в Париже, истинно этим возмущались. По крайней мере, многие из них это возмущение высказывали. Это ведь делалось без всякого суда, это делала толпа.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2772.744,2800.678"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [Пауза] Так. А что Вы собираетесь делать в России?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2800.678,2807.567"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: В России я думаю продолжать свою учёную работу. Думается мне, что я смогу устроиться на кафедре в Тифлисском университете, или как теперь называют вместо Тифлис – Тбилиси по-грузински. Я не могу вернуться по состоянию здоровья в Ленинград, так как в результате всего того, что мне пришлось здесь пережить: одно время я был парализован, вся правая сторона у меня была парализована, теперь я исправился...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2807.567,2848.041"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Вы великолепно сейчас выглядите.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2848.041,2850.806"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: . . . я поправился, но, конечно, результат этой болезни сказывается. Это та цена, которую я заплатил, в конце концов, за пребывание в немецком концентрационном лагере.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2850.806,2865.241"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Димитрий Михайлович, вчера вечером случайно за столом мы заговорили о одной версии происхождения...эээ или расового происхождения евреев из России. Можете ли Вы мне суммировать этот материал?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2865.241,2879.74"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: [Пауза] Мне представляется, как историку, совершенно бесспорно, что громаднейший процент лиц иудейского вероисповедания, проживающих в России, по своему происхождению является не семитами...является не семитами, а тюрками.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2879.74,2905.065"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: А тюрки разве не семиты?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2905.065,2906.721"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Эээ...[неразборчиво]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2906.721,2908.009"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Так, дальше.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2908.009,2909.05"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: . . . а тюрками. Иудейская религия была распространена в правящих верхах хазаров. Хазары к VII веку представляли очень сильное и могущественное государство, расположенное частью на Кавказе, частью на низовье Волги. Престиж их был так велик, что с ними роднились даже византийские императоры. Ну,...хазары усердно занимались прозелитизмом иудейского вероисповедания.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2909.05,2950.598"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Каким...каким образом хазары сами стали евреями?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2950.598,2954.153"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Этот вопрос был задан однажды советником Кордобского калифа по финансовым...Кордобского калифа по финансовым вопросам евреем Хасдай ибн Шапрут.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2954.153,2971.541"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Это в каком году было?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2971.541,2973.181"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Это...около VII века.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2973.181,2975.071"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ага.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2975.071,2976.352"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: Этот Хасдай ибн Шапрут написал любопытное письмо еврейскому...хазарскому царю Иосифу. Письмо было отвезено ему через всю Европу торговой организацией евреевской - евреи-родониты. Родониты от слова Родан, Рон - река. Она была доставлена...это письмо через Киев Иосифу, царю хазарскому и до нашего времени дошло как это самое письмо, так ответ...эээ...царя Иосифа и ответ также его финансового советника. Документы были найдены в 1912 году в каировской синагоге. И вот...ммм...когда ибн Шапрут спрашивал Иосифа, как случилось, что на востоке далёком есть царство верных, исповедующих истинную религию, т.е. религию иудеев. На это Иосиф ответил историческим сказанием о том, что однажды хазары попали в очень трудное военное положение. Явился некий юноша, опытный военачальник, который победил врагов. Этот юноша был иудейского вероисповедания, и эта победа произвела такое впечатление, что все верхи приняли иудейскую веру. Так говорит хазарский царь Иосиф. Точные сведения по этому вопросу не существуют.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2976.352,3082.706"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ну, что-нибудь, чтобы Вы хотели сказать американским учёным [пауза] как результат Ваших...Вашего опыта во время войны и в Европе?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3082.706,3094.954"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dimitri Odinets: [Пауза] Американским учёным я бы мог сказать много. И прежде всего, что я, находясь долгое время во Франции – больше 25 лет, в условиях тяжёлых для научной работы, я искренне завидовал американским своим коллегам, которые могут в совершенно исключительно благоприятных условиях при поддержке общества, при поддержке американского государства, заниматься своей наукой. Как историк, я могу сказать, что [неразборчиво] американских историков имеется целый ряд имён мирового значения. Лично мне пришлось познакомиться с известным историком Шотвелле, который стоял во главе издания, многотомного, предпринятого институтом Карнеги «О влиянии войны на...эээ...жизнь страны». В данном случае, в отношении нас - русских учёных, в отношении России. И написал там...эээ...книгу на тему «Низшая и средняя школа в России в результате войны 1914-18 года». Шотвелл на меня произвёл самые великолепные впечатления как подлинный представитель [неразборчиво] научной мысли и как исключительно обаятельный человек.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3094.954,3231.936"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] This concludes the interview of great interest with...ah...Professor Dimitri Michailovitch Odinets, a leader of the Russian colony in Paris. Paris, October the 4th, 1946, Illinois Institute of Technology wire recording, taken at the Grand Hotel. [Pause] Professor Odinets wants a correction. He is not the leader of the Russian colony, he considers that he is one of possible representatives or leaders but the colony is by no means something a unified group of unique convictions, tendencies and interests. Well, we will make that correction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3231.936,3302.298"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Chicago, July 6th, 1950. This concludes spool 9-169A. Two spools are on this reproduction, 9-168 and 9-169A. The other part of Spool 169 contains some rather irrelevant material. This reproduction is part of a project supported in part by a research grant from the National Institute of Mental Health, United States Public Health.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3302.298,3359.738"}]},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/transcript/8050","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Russian 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[Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=6.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=6.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/grandhotel\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/grandhotel\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=6.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=6.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=58.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=106.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIn July 1917, the Provisional government for which Professor Odinets worked passed a law stating that national minorities, such as the Ukrainians, were recognized as a having a right to national autonomy. Thus Professor Odinets was concerned above all, as he said, with combating right wing Ukrainian chauvinism, which would have led to the formation of a separate state. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Kyiv\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Kyiv\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=106.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Skoropadsky government, which had been sponsored by the German occupiers of Ukraine during World War I, fell with the defeat of Germany on November 11, 1918. Following this, rival groups of various political persuasions struggled for power. During this time, some 100,000 Ukrainian Jews were murdered in pogroms by Ukrainian nationalist extremists, White Army anti-communist forces, and Poles. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=172.0,266.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Kyiv\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Kyiv\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=172.0,266.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eBy the end of 1920, the Red Army fully controlled southern Russian, including Ukraine. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Kyiv\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Kyiv\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Odessa\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Odessa\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=172.0,266.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Belgrade\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Belgrade\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=271.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Warsaw\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Warsaw\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=271.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Warsaw\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Warsaw\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=271.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=271.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIn the aftermath of the defeat of anti-communist forces, some one million refugees fled from Russia. Several hundred thousand settled in France, among them Professor Odinets, who like others, sought to preserve his Russian identity. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=271.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=328.0,366.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIvan Turgenev (1818-1883) was master Russian novelist as well as playwright and poet. He acquired an international reputation as a result of his brilliant portrayals of Russian life. During the 1870s Turgenev lived in Paris where he was an esteemed unofficial Russian cultural ambassador. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=403.0,417.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=426.0,501.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=426.0,501.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=426.0,501.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eNikolai Gogol (1809-1852) was a Russian novelist and dramatist whose works were characterized by stylistic richness and sympathetic realism. His writings served as a model for later Russian writers and helped establish the great tradition of the Russian novel. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=505.0,516.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Germans entered Paris on June 14, 1940. The war with the Soviet Union began on June 22, 1941. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=525.0,555.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Rosenberg\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Rosenberg\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=571.0,602.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eAlfred Rosenberg (1893-1946) was the Nazis' leading ideologist. His thinking, incorporating racism, occultism, German neo-paganism, anti-Semitism and anti-Communism, was contained in his influential 1930 work Der Mythus des zwanzigsten Jahrhunderts (The Myth of the Twentieth Century). From 1933-1945, he headed the Nazi party's foreign affairs department. After the fall of France, the so-called Operational Staff Rosenberg confiscated French cultural treasures. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Rosenberg\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Rosenberg\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=571.0,602.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=654.0,656.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=656.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=700.0,776.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Vichy\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Vichy\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=778.0,860.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=778.0,860.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=778.0,860.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003eGestapo: \u003c/b\u003eContraction of Geheime Staatspolizei: \"Secret State Police.\" The German internal security police (secret police) under the Nazis, headed by SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Organized in 1933 to protect the regime from political opposition. Often used by Holocaust victims generically to refer to any German police or military unit.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=888.0,909.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=888.0,909.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=888.0,909.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=910.0,949.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=910.0,949.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=949.0,950.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=950.0,983.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=950.0,983.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=950.0,983.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eHere, as elsewhere, Professor Odinets shows himself to be free of anti-Semitic sentiments. He expresses genuine sympathy for the plight of the Jews in France during the Occupation and highlights the worse treatment given them. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1015.0,1028.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003elager: \u003c/b\u003eGerman military term for camp or encampment. In the Nazi system these could include transit, labor, concentration, and death camps.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1065.0,1103.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003elager: \u003c/b\u003eGerman military term for camp or encampment. In the Nazi system these could include transit, labor, concentration, and death camps.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1065.0,1103.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Drancy\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Drancy\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1065.0,1103.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Buchenwald\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Buchenwald\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1065.0,1103.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Geneva\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Geneva\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1124.0,1129.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003eWhite Russian: \u003c/b\u003eRussians who were opposed the Bolshevik movement after the October 1917 revolution.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1129.0,1137.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003elager: \u003c/b\u003eGerman military term for camp or encampment. In the Nazi system these could include transit, labor, concentration, and death camps.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1140.0,1262.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eAmong the Russian emigrés, there were those who were extreme anti-Semites, spreading the infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion which described a supposed worldwide Jewish conspiracy to use nefarious means to undermine Christian civilization with the aim of ruling the world. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1140.0,1262.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003elager: \u003c/b\u003eGerman military term for camp or encampment. In the Nazi system these could include transit, labor, concentration, and death camps.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1266.0,1282.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003elager: \u003c/b\u003eGerman military term for camp or encampment. In the Nazi system these could include transit, labor, concentration, and death camps.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1283.0,1346.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIndeed, a French interventionist force arrived in Ukraine shortly after the November 11, 1918 armistice with Germany with the aim of supporting anti-Communist forces. However, the French withdrew their forces in the spring of 1919. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1349.0,1351.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eDuring the Occupation, there was a vicious cycle of reprisals for acts taken by the Resistance, followed by counter-reprisals and so on. The Germans highlighted that those they executed were communists and Jews in an attempt to show the population at large that these \"anti-French\" and \"foreign\" elements were the ones causing problems, and that if not for them, the occupation would be less harsh. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1400.0,1412.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1412.0,1413.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1413.0,1414.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Royallieu\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1414.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1414.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003etrusty: \u003c/b\u003eSimilar to a capo or blockälteste. A prisoner in the camps who held some authority over other prisoners, and in return received special treatment. These were often convicts.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1582.0,1791.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=1798.0,1870.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003elager: \u003c/b\u003eGerman military term for camp or encampment. In the Nazi system these could include transit, labor, concentration, and death camps.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2120.0,2227.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003elager: \u003c/b\u003eGerman military term for camp or encampment. In the Nazi system these could include transit, labor, concentration, and death camps.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2120.0,2227.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Drancy\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/camp/Drancy\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2120.0,2227.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003elager: \u003c/b\u003eGerman military term for camp or encampment. In the Nazi system these could include transit, labor, concentration, and death camps.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2120.0,2227.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003ecommandant: \u003c/b\u003eA commander of a Nazi camp. In the death camps the commandant was required to witness every gassing carried out through a peephole, and supervise both the preparations and the aftermath.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2120.0,2227.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003ecommandant: \u003c/b\u003eA commander of a Nazi camp. In the death camps the commandant was required to witness every gassing carried out through a peephole, and supervise both the preparations and the aftermath.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2120.0,2227.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2227.0,2260.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2227.0,2260.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2227.0,2260.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Chicago\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Chicago\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2260.0,2343.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2260.0,2343.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2343.0,2360.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003elager: \u003c/b\u003eGerman military term for camp or encampment. In the Nazi system these could include transit, labor, concentration, and death camps.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2380.0,2384.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2390.0,2437.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2390.0,2437.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eProfessor Odinets does not further specify what he meant by \"patriots of their native land.\" [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2471.0,2497.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2497.0,2533.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2533.0,2549.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eMarshall Pétain and others argued that they had collaborated due to patriotic motives and that theirs had been a benevolent collaboration, which had saved France from what would have been far greater destruction had they not cooperated with the occupiers. When General Charles de Gaulle assumed power following the liberation, he helped to destroy this myth. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2550.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003eMaquis: \u003c/b\u003eThe predominantly rural guerrilla bands of the French Resistance.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2726.0,2766.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2772.0,2800.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThese acts were part of the first phase of uncontrolled retribution by the Resistance during which many accused collaborators were summarily executed and women accused of fraternizing with the German occupiers were publicly humiliated. Subsequently, investigations and trials of accused collaborators took place. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2772.0,2800.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eGiven the post-war reassertion of Stalinist totalitarianism, these hopes seem at best naive. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Tbilisi\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Tbilisi\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2807.0,2848.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Saint-Petersburg\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2807.0,2848.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Khazars were a group of tribes of Turkish ancestry who inhabited a vast territory in southern Russia north of the Caucasus mountains. They converted to Judaism in the year 740 C.E. In about the year 960 C.E., an exchange of letters took place between Hasdai ibn Shaprut (c. 915-c. 975), an important Jewish minister of the Caliph of Cordoba, Spain and Joseph, king of the Khazars. In this letter, Joseph relates how his ancestor, the king Bulan, converted to Judaism. The Khazar ruling elite followed suit, and Judaism by degrees came to be accepted by the population at large. In 1016 C.E., the kingdom of the Khazars was crushed by the Russians and the Byzantines. What became of the Khazars remains a matter of dispute. Some might have been among the forebears of Polish and Russian Jewry. However, it is generally accepted that Russian Jewry were of central European origin. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2906.0,2950.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Cordoba\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Cordoba\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2954.0,2971.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eOdinets is referring to the so-called Radanites, intrepid Jewish traders in the ninth century C.E. who exchanged goods from the Frankish kingdom of Europe for those of Asia. Their name probably comes from a Persian phrase meaning, \"knowing the way.\" [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2976.0,3082.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Riga\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Riga\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2976.0,3082.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Kyiv\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Kyiv\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2976.0,3082.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Cairo\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Cairo\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2976.0,3082.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eIt should be emphasized that this is indeed a legend. [E.L.]\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=2976.0,3082.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3231.0,3302.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Paris\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3231.0,3302.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/grandhotel\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/gran\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3231.0,3302.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Chicago\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Chicago\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116#t=3302.0,3302.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17661/file/73116/annotation_set/1662/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003eAryan: \u003c/b\u003eDerived from a Sanskrit word meaning “noble,” the term was used in Nazi pseudo-scientific jargon to denote a race which had supposedly superior blood and culture. 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