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Boder, conducted on September 24, 1946 at the UNRRA University for Displaced Persons at the Deutsches Museum in Munich, Germany. (Abstract)"," Viktor Ferdinansk was not a Jewish Holocaust survivor, but a Roman Catholic Lithuanian who spent the war in Germany. He provides an interesting perspective from the point of view of a non-Jew who spent the war in a German Franciscan monastery from 1941 to 1945. In the autumn of 1940 Ferdinansk enrolled in a Roman Catholic Seminary in Kovno. But because of the Soviet occupation of Lithuania in that year and the hostility of the communists to all religious institutions, he was sent by the Franciscan Order to Germany with instructions to first journey to Italy. He was accused of entering Germany illegally, was arrested and interrogated by the Gestapo and spent about four months in a work camp. After his release he decided to live in Catholic Bavaria where he worked in Munich in a Franciscan monastery. He had to report to the police every week, was not allowed to speak Lithuanian and was denied the right of correspondence. At the end of the war Ferdinansk abandoned his commitment to theology and decided to study law so that he would not have to work among the German clergy. Throughout the interview Ferdinansk emphasized that the Germans in the seminary looked down upon him as a foreigner. Boder asked him what the Franciscan brothers thought of the Nazis and the war. He said that the older generation of clergy were opposed to Nazism, while the younger generation tended to support the Nazis because of indoctrination and military service. When asked what he and the German Franciscans in the Seminary knew about the persecution and murder of the Jews he replied, \"Yes. Well what was done with the Jews had become clear to everybody. We all knew that the Jews were incarcerated and murdered. That all the Germans knew as well.\" He remarked that while the clergy in his Seminary and at least one of his professors disapproved of the mistreatment of the Jews, they also felt that there was nothing that they could do. And when asked whether they wanted Germany to win the war, he replied that although attitudes varied, most wanted Germany to win because of nationalism and the hope of the survival of Germany. Ferdinansk remarked that he did not notice any war guilt on the part of the clergy or the Germans in general, reiterating the deep sorrow he felt because of the contempt he endured because he was a foreigner, even though he was a fellow Catholic. He himself felt that \"every man is in some way guilty of the deeds of his fellow man.\"1 Ferdinansk decided to study law at the UNRRA University instead of one of the German universities. In his conclusion, Viktor Ferdinansk revealed that he feared to attempt searching for his parents, for by 1945 Lithuania was occupied by the Soviet Union and the authorities would likely be hostile to a Lithuanian who had been a member of a Franciscan monastery in Germany. As a Lithuanian, Ferdinansk was allowed to live in Germany for the duration of the war, unlike German Jews who were expelled and murdered. Lithuania had become an independent nation after the First World War, was incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1940, from 1941 to 1945 was controlled by Nazi Germany, and was reincorporated into the Soviet Union in 1945. Lithuanian fascist groups assisted the Nazis in the murder of the Lithuanian Jews, although Ferdinansk would not have had first-hand knowledge of this. Despite his experience that some German Catholics disapproved of the treatment of the Jews, most were indifferent and some were fervent supporters of Hitler.2 Viktor Ferdinansk's testimony provides a glimpse of what it was like for a Lithuanian who was initially favorably disposed toward Germany to become disillusioned with German racial policies and anti-Christian attitudes of the Nazis. It also illustrates the difference between the Nazi disdain for non-Germans—in this case Lithuanians—and outright murder conducted against the Jews, the Gypsies, and the disabled. Finally, it suggests that the murder of the Jews was widely known in Nazi Germany, according to this testimony taken in 1946. 1. Ferdinansk echoed here the definition of \"metaphysical guilt\" propounded by the German philosopher Karl Jaspers in his Question of German Guilt (1947). 2. See the recent work of Kevin Spicer, Hitler's Priests: Catholic Clergy and National Socialism (DeKalb, Illinois: Northern Illinois Press, 2008). (Commentary by Leon Stein) (Commentary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":[" World War, 1939-1945--Personal narratives, Lithuanian (Topical)"," Berlin (Germany)   (Geographic)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":[" Ferdinansk, Victor (Interviewee)"," Boder, David P. (David Pablo), 1886-1961 (Interviewer)"," Platt, Dagmar (Transcriber)"," Boder, David P. (David Pablo), 1886-1961 (Translator)"," English, Eben (Editor)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["oral history"," interview"]}},{"label":{"en":["Inerviewee Nationality"]},"value":{"en":["Lithuania"]}},{"label":{"en":["Interviewee Gender"]},"value":{"en":["Male"]}}],"summary":{"en":[" Interview with Victor Ferdinansk by David P. Boder, conducted on September 24, 1946 at the UNRRA University for Displaced Persons at the Deutsches Museum in Munich, Germany."," Viktor Ferdinansk was not a Jewish Holocaust survivor, but a Roman Catholic Lithuanian who spent the war in Germany. He provides an interesting perspective from the point of view of a non-Jew who spent the war in a German Franciscan monastery from 1941 to 1945. In the autumn of 1940 Ferdinansk enrolled in a Roman Catholic Seminary in Kovno. But because of the Soviet occupation of Lithuania in that year and the hostility of the communists to all religious institutions, he was sent by the Franciscan Order to Germany with instructions to first journey to Italy. He was accused of entering Germany illegally, was arrested and interrogated by the Gestapo and spent about four months in a work camp. After his release he decided to live in Catholic Bavaria where he worked in Munich in a Franciscan monastery. He had to report to the police every week, was not allowed to speak Lithuanian and was denied the right of correspondence. At the end of the war Ferdinansk abandoned his commitment to theology and decided to study law so that he would not have to work among the German clergy. Throughout the interview Ferdinansk emphasized that the Germans in the seminary looked down upon him as a foreigner. Boder asked him what the Franciscan brothers thought of the Nazis and the war. He said that the older generation of clergy were opposed to Nazism, while the younger generation tended to support the Nazis because of indoctrination and military service. When asked what he and the German Franciscans in the Seminary knew about the persecution and murder of the Jews he replied, \"Yes. Well what was done with the Jews had become clear to everybody. We all knew that the Jews were incarcerated and murdered. That all the Germans knew as well.\" He remarked that while the clergy in his Seminary and at least one of his professors disapproved of the mistreatment of the Jews, they also felt that there was nothing that they could do. And when asked whether they wanted Germany to win the war, he replied that although attitudes varied, most wanted Germany to win because of nationalism and the hope of the survival of Germany. Ferdinansk remarked that he did not notice any war guilt on the part of the clergy or the Germans in general, reiterating the deep sorrow he felt because of the contempt he endured because he was a foreigner, even though he was a fellow Catholic. He himself felt that \"every man is in some way guilty of the deeds of his fellow man.\"1 Ferdinansk decided to study law at the UNRRA University instead of one of the German universities. In his conclusion, Viktor Ferdinansk revealed that he feared to attempt searching for his parents, for by 1945 Lithuania was occupied by the Soviet Union and the authorities would likely be hostile to a Lithuanian who had been a member of a Franciscan monastery in Germany. As a Lithuanian, Ferdinansk was allowed to live in Germany for the duration of the war, unlike German Jews who were expelled and murdered. Lithuania had become an independent nation after the First World War, was incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1940, from 1941 to 1945 was controlled by Nazi Germany, and was reincorporated into the Soviet Union in 1945. Lithuanian fascist groups assisted the Nazis in the murder of the Lithuanian Jews, although Ferdinansk would not have had first-hand knowledge of this. Despite his experience that some German Catholics disapproved of the treatment of the Jews, most were indifferent and some were fervent supporters of Hitler.2 Viktor Ferdinansk's testimony provides a glimpse of what it was like for a Lithuanian who was initially favorably disposed toward Germany to become disillusioned with German racial policies and anti-Christian attitudes of the Nazis. It also illustrates the difference between the Nazi disdain for non-Germans—in this case Lithuanians—and outright murder conducted against the Jews, the Gypsies, and the disabled. Finally, it suggests that the murder of the Jews was widely known in Nazi Germany, according to this testimony taken in 1946. 1. Ferdinansk echoed here the definition of \"metaphysical guilt\" propounded by the German philosopher Karl Jaspers in his Question of German Guilt (1947). 2. See the recent work of Kevin Spicer, Hitler's Priests: Catholic Clergy and National Socialism (DeKalb, Illinois: Northern Illinois Press, 2008). 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The interviewee is Mr. Victor Ferdinansk, a Lithuanian, who will talk to us in German.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=0.0,12.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e [In German:] Now tell me, Victor, what happened to you when the Russians had come to Lithuania?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=12.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e [He speaks rather fluently, but it is the German of a foreigner.] And so the Russians came to Lithuania. They came in 1940. At that time I was a gymnasium pupil of third grade [possibly counting from the top], and in the autumn of that year I came to Tallinn and entered the eighth year of the Ritter Seminary [Seminary of the Knights; origin of the name is not clear, but possibly named after the Crusaders].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=20.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e What is your religion?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=34.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e I am a Roman Catholic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=36.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=38.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was clear to all of us that the Ritter Seminary will not continue to exist for long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=39.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e In what city was that seminary?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=46.0,48.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e In Tallinn...[\u003cem\u003ecorrection\u003c/em\u003e] in Kovno.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=48.0,50.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e In Kovno? A so-called [in Russian] theological seminary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=50.0,55.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e A theological seminary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=55.0,56.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Near Riga? Well...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=56.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e And as a member of the Franciscan Order, I was sent by my superiors to Germany with instructions to go to Italy, since at that time a number of our compatriots studied in Italy, and they had already obtained for us the [proper] documents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=58.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now what does that mean, “the documents”? What kind of documents did you need?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=90.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e That means entrance documents [permits] to Italy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=92.0,95.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=95.0,96.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e But we were deeply disappointed when we came to Germany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=96.0,101.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=101.0,102.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e I had the intention to get to Italy, but instead of that something different happened. At the illegal crossing of the border I was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=102.0,116.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you had crossed the border to Germany illegally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=116.0,118.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. I was arrested and placed in a lager where I spent seven days. But then it was established [?] that I was not a spy. So then supplied with a pass, I was sent to Berlin where I had to render services as a prisoner [?] together with French prisoners who were in Germany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=118.0,144.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, so you did not get a traveler’s permit to Italy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=144.0,146.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=146.0,147.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e You were simply taken prisoner?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=147.0,151.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e I was arrested and taken to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=151.0,154.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now go on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=154.0,156.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e After I had worked approximately three or four months...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=156.0,160.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you live in a lager?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=160.0,162.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a work lager.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=162.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=167.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Very many slept in one room. I believe there were fifty people, at least.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=167.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. 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With the Franciscans?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=233.0,242.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e No. In Berlin that was hardly possible, because all the authorities were badly set against religion, and there was nothing one could do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=242.0,252.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=252.0,253.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e I was then very young, and was in very poor command of the German language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=253.0,256.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you permitted to go to church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=256.0,258.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e One was permitted to go to church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=258.0,261.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Could you not talk there with the priest?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=261.0,263.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Practically [in fact] they could not help much. And then in order to be able to admit [to the parish] all the foreigners, they also had to have a police permit. And without such a police permit they could not admit one at all. 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In 1941 in the spring I came to Munich where I was accepted by a Franciscan monastery, where I was working until 1945 as a Lithuanian and foreigner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=288.0,302.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah. So afterwards the Germans knew that you were there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=302.0,307.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Later on...They did not know it. 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But you could write in the German language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=357.0,359.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e In the German language I was not [?] permitted to write.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=359.0,361.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e To whom could you or did you want to write?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=361.0,364.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Ordinarily I maintained no other correspondence with my friends, with other...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=364.0,372.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Where, here in Germany?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=372.0,374.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Here in Germany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=374.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e In lagers, et cetera [?]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=375.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=375.0,376.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Aha. Now continue. During all that time did the Germans ever beat you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=376.0,381.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks to the fact that I was a student, it is self-understood that I did not have the occasion to get into beatings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=381.0,387.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Why is that so self-understood? You have told me that the Germans did not respect religion too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=387.0,392.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e That is of course correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=392.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e But...but as far as you are concerned?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=394.0,397.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e In the monastery...in the monastery I still had a Catholic environment, and it did not come to it [to beatings].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=397.0,404.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e And what were you doing in the monastery?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=404.0,405.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e In the monastery? That is very hard to tell. We were...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=405.0,410.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you treated there like all the others?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=410.0,414.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e That cannot be said. I always felt that I was a foreigner. 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And what do you study here now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=451.0,453.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e At this university I study jurisprudence, and I am now in the second semester.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=453.0,459.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Then you have given up theology?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=459.0,459.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e I have given up theology, and only for the reason that I did not want to remain in Germany, and work among the Germans as such, as a clergyman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=459.0,470.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now tell me this. That you...It is very interesting to have met you. What did the Franciscan brothers think about the Nazis? I mean in general. What was the mood during the war? It is very important for us that you give us such an appraisal. I don’t ask the others about it. I just want personalia [personal experiences]. But you are a theologian. You have lived in a monastery. What was their attitude towards the war, towards the Nazis and all that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=470.0,503.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e This mood [attitude] varied greatly. It depended on what kind of a person one was. 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Tell me, what did you [they?] know about the persecution of various nationalities? Say, for instance, what did you know about what was done with the Jews, with the Norwegians, with the Gypsies, and so on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=616.0,633.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Well, what was done with the Jews has become clear to everybody. We all knew that the Jews were incarcerated and murdered. That all the Germans knew as well. 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But the Germans, the German clergy, they knew it, and what did they say about it? Did they say “it serves them right,” or...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=663.0,671.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e The German clergy never approved of it, and at the lectures about the Old Testament, the question was often brought up concerning the Jews. 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Did they want Germany to win the war and the like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=710.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e That varied a great deal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=720.0,721.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e You understand...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=721.0,723.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=723.0,723.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . that I ask only you such a question...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=723.0,724.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=724.0,725.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . because I think that you were a better observer than the others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=725.0,729.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=729.0,730.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e You were not in a lager. You were in a way free. You could talk with the Germans. The others could not. True? Now then, go on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=730.0,739.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e And so it varied. Most of them wanted the war to be won [by the Germans]. 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But I have met quite a few young soldiers [German], that is former soldiers, who were greatly saddened that soldiers of other countries have entered their land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=799.0,814.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, well, weren’t they themselves in other countries?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=814.0,817.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e That certainly is correct. But as children of their fatherland, they were not especially gladdened. 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That I did not notice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=890.0,892.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Boder:\u003c/strong\u003e Now tell me, for instance, this. We are now being asked in America to send clothes for the Germans. Isn’t that so? 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And I as a theologian have always felt that very deeply, and had to carry with pains this whole misfortune for five, six years. 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You study law. Do you study German law? 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I would like indeed to have every one of you for an hour or two, and probably that would have been better, but you see...I should have preferred to have two persons or three persons for three hours [each] than each one [more people] for half an hour. True? But since there are here [so many] diverse groups, I don’t want to hurt [offend] anybody. True? And maybe I would be able to make a composite from the whole story [from all the stories]. True? My name shall remain here with your director in case you want to write to me sometime. I don’t know whether I could do much, but I shall forward it [your letter] to somebody who should be able to do something. It was indeed a pleasure to get to know you. Thank you, indeed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1207.0,1259.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eVictor Ferdinansk:\u003c/strong\u003e I thank you, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1259.0,1261.69613"}]},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7955/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/007/955/original/export_transcript_Ferdinansk.txt?1652468072","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/007/955/original/export_transcript_Ferdinansk.txt?1652468072"}]},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["German transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In English] Munich, September the 24th, 1946, at the UNRRA University of the Deutsches Museum. The interviewee is Mr. Victor Ferdinansk, a Lithuanian, who will talk to us in German.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=0.625,12.663"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [In German] Also sagen Sie mir, Victor, was ist Ihnen passiert, wenn die Russen nach Litauen gekommen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=12.663,20.122"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Also die Russen sind nach Litauen gekommen 1940. Damals war ich im Gymnasium in der dritten Klasse und im Herbst dieses Jahres bin ich gekommen nach Tallin in die achte Lasse des Ritter Seminars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=20.122,34.662"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Von welcher Religion sind Sie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=34.662,36.74"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ich bin römisch katholisch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=36.74,38.302"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja. Weiter nun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=38.302,39.958"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Und es war uns allen klar, dass das Ritter Seminar nicht lange bestehen wird.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=39.958,46.696"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: In welcher Stadt was das Seminar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=46.696,48.868"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: In Tallin...Kovno.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=48.868,50.227"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: In Kovno? Das hat man damals genannt das Kovno Theologisches Seminar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=50.227,55.241"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Kovno Theologisches Seminar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=55.241,56.585"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Bei Riga? Nun...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=56.585,58.335"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Als Angehöriger des Franziskaner Ordens wurde ich von mein...von unserem Vorgesetzten nach Deutschland geschickt mit dem Auftrag nach Italien zu kommen. Damals studierten nämlich in Italien viele unserer Landsleute und sie hatten diese Dokumente schon für uns besorgt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=58.335,90.034"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Also was heißt diese Dokumente? Was für Dokumente haben Sie gebraucht?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=90.034,92.871"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das heißt Einreise-Dokumente nach Italien.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=92.871,95.465"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=95.465,96.309"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Aber wir waren sehr tief enttäuscht, als wir uns nach Deutschland begeben haben.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=96.309,101.958"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=101.958,102.646"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ich habe die Absicht gehabt nach Italien zu kommen, aber an Stelle dessen ist etwas Anderes eingetroffen. Ich wurde beim illegalen Überschreiten der Grenze...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=102.646,116.37"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Oh, sie haben die Grenze illegal überschritten?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=116.37,118.528"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja. Ich wurde fest genommen und in ein Lager gebracht, wo ich sieben Tage gehalten wurde. Aber dann wurde gesehen, dass ich kein Spion bin. Dann wurde ich mit einem (unverständlich) nach Berlin geschickt, wo ich mit französischen Gefangenen im Deutschen Verlag als Gefangener Dienste leisten musste.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=118.528,144.154"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Also Sie haben nicht einen Pass-Schein nach Italien?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=144.154,146.903"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Nein.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=146.903,147.965"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Sie haben Sie als Gefangenen genommen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=147.965,151.558"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, ich wurde verhaftet und zur Arbeit gebracht.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=151.558,154.714"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Bitte weiter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=154.714,156.229"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Und nachdem ich ungefähr drei oder Monate gearbeitet habe...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=156.229,160.979"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Haben Sie einem Lager gelabt?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=160.979,162.932"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das war ein Arbeiterlager.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=162.932,167.072"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=167.072,167.666"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: In diesem Zimmer haben geschlafen sehr viele. Ich glaube so viel wie fünfzig Leute zumindest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=167.666,175.765"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja, nun und...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=175.765,176.734"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Und ja einmal wurde das ganze Haus, wo jeder - alle zusammen gewohnt haben, untersucht und auf Grund meiner Nationalität wurde ich von der Gestapo andermal festgenommen und in Berlin auf das Polizei Präsidium gebracht. Die haben mich drei Stunden lang untersucht, gefragt nach verschiedenen Sachen, also dann stellte sich heraus, dass ich kein gefährlicher Mensch bin, sondern bloß Student der Theologie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=176.734,207.522"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=207.522,208.178"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Und ich wurde nach der drei stündigen Untersuchung entlassen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=208.178,212.073"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=212.073,212.948"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Diese ganze Geschichte war mir sehr unangenehm und ich wollte nicht, dass es irgendwelchen Folgen hat. Darum bin ich auch von Berlin nach München gekommen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=212.948,230.43"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Also wieso...ille...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=230.43,231.997"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Illegal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=231.997,233.216"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Illegal. Nun sagen Sie mir, haben Sie sich nicht mit den katholischen Geistlichen verständigen können, dass man Ihnen hilft? Mit den Franziskanern?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=233.216,242.313"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Nein, in Berlin, das war fast nicht möglich, weil jede Behörde war sehr eingestellt gegen die Religion und es war wirklich nichts zu machen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=242.313,252.892"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=252.892,253.72"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Und damals war ich sehr jung und habe sehr schlecht die deutsche Sprache beherrscht.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=253.72,256.98"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Hat man Ihnen erlaubt zur Kirche zu gehen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=256.98,258.819"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das Kirchen Gehen hat man erlaubt zu gehen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=258.819,261.069"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Konnten Sie da nicht mit dem Vater sprechen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=261.069,263.553"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Praktisch konnten die nicht viel helfen. Denn um Einen in der Pfarre aufzunehmen, sollten die auch eine polizeiliche Genehmigung haben. Und ohne diese polizeiliche Genehmigung durften sie überhaupt niemanden aufnehmen. Darum habe ich beschlossen nach Bayern zu flüchten, wo das ganze Land katholisch ist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=263.553,285.039"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=285.039,286.008"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Und...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=286.008,286.992"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Sie kamen dann nach München?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=286.992,288.648"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Nach München. 1941 bin ich nach München gekommen, wo ich in einem Franziskanischen Kloster aufgenommen wurde und bis zum Jahre neunzehn hundert fünf und vierzig (1945) beschäftigt wurde als Litauer und Ausländer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=288.648,302.977"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Aha. Also da haben die Deutschen nachher doch gewusst, dass Sie dort waren?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=302.977,307.633"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Später...das haben sie nicht gewusst. Aber später selbstverständlich als ich angemeldet wurde, wurde das, hm,...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=307.633,315.429"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: [unverständlich]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=315.429,316.21"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ein Gestapo Beamter ist gekommen. Die ganze Sache hat sich herausgestellt und er hatte dann folgende Anordnung gegeben: Ich darf nicht in zivil...in die Stadt hinaus gehen nicht in Zivilkleider, wie das heißt, nur in Ordern...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=316.21,337.254"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=337.254,337.941"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: . . . bis damals war erlaubt, dass man auch in Zivilkleidern in die Stadt hinaus gehen zu können.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=337.941,347.087"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Hm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=347.087,347.915"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Dann zweitens war mir der Auftrag erlegt, dass ich jede Woche mich beim zuständigen Polizei Präsidium oder Revier melden 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Leut...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=364.494,372.327"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Wo? Hier in Deutschland?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=372.327,374.234"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=374.234,376.139"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Aha, nun weiter. Durch dieser ganzen Zeit haben die Deutschen Sie jemals geschlagen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=376.139,381.889"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Da ich ein Theologie Student gewesen bin, selbstverständlich bin ich nicht zu Schlägereien gekommen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=381.889,387.197"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Warum ist das selbstverständlich? Sie haben mir gesagt, dass die Deutschen die Religion nicht sehr respektiert haben.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=387.197,392.884"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das stimmt schon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=392.884,394.837"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Aber soweit sie betroffen waren...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=394.837,397.665"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Aber in dem Kloster...im Kloster habe ich eine katholische Umgebung gehabt und es ist nicht dazu gekommen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=397.665,404.117"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Was haben Sie im Kloster getan?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=404.117,405.929"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Im Kloster? Das ist sehr schwer zu sagen. Wir waren...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=405.929,410.71"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Wurden Sie behandelt wie alle Anderen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=410.71,414.866"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das kann man nicht sagen, ich habe immer gespürt, dass ich ein Ausländer bin. Und die haben immer uns zu verstehen gegeben, dass wir Ausländer sind und wir waren jeder, hm, in jeder...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=414.866,423.851"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Beziehung.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=423.851,425.258"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: . . . in jeder Beziehung ignoriert, darum...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=425.258,426.946"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Bei den anderen Leuten oder den Franziskanern?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=426.946,430.243"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Auch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=430.243,430.993"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Von den Brüdern?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=430.993,431.993"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Auch von den Brüdern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=431.993,433.165"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=433.165,433.634"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Und darum habe ich beschlossen in 1900...im Jahre 1945 als die Amerikaner gekommen sind und die Zivil...die Zivillager eingerichtet haben, aus dem Kloster einzutreten...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=433.634,446.821"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Auszutreten.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=446.821,448.353"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, auszutreten und das habe ich gemacht.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=448.353,451.369"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Hm. Nun was studieren Sie jetzt hier?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=451.369,453.682"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Jetzt an dieser Universität studiere ich Jura und bin im zweiten Semester.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=453.682,459.056"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Also Sie haben die Theologie aufgegeben?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=459.056,459.056"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ich habe die Theologie aufgegeben und nur aus diesem Grunde, dass ich nicht in Deutschland bleiben wollte und als Geistlicher unter Deutschen arbeiten.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=459.056,470.914"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Sagen Sie mir...es ist...sehr interessant, dass ich Sie getroffen habe. Was haben die Franziskaner Brüder von den Nazis gedacht? Ich meine im Allgemeinen, wie war die Stimmung während des Krieges? Es ist für uns sehr wichtig, dass Sie uns so eine Schätzung geben können. Andere frage ich nicht darüber, ich will bloß die Erlebnisse haben. Aber Sie sind Theologe, sie haben in einem Kloster gelebt, wie haben sie sich zu dem Krieg verhalten, zu den Nazis und allem?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=470.914,503.405"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Diese Stimmung war sehr verschieden. Es kam darauf an, was für eine Person es gewesen ist. Die Älteren waren sozusagen verschworene Feinde des Nazismus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=503.405,520.513"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=520.513,521.153"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Aber es gab auch jüngere Deutsche, die man...als, als Ausländer man wurde nicht ange...[unverständlich]. 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Nachdem sie das Militär durchgemacht haben oder wie war das Ganze?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=562.2,567.793"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, während der Kriegszeit sind sie doch oft und oft wieder mal auf Urlaub gekommen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=567.793,573.647"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Oh ja, nun?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=573.647,574.803"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Und da konnte man sich im kurzen Gesprächen einen Blick bekommen, wie sie denken. Alle waren vom Hitler—man kann sagen—größtenteils begeistert.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=574.803,585.795"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=585.795,586.327"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Die jungen Leute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=586.327,587.312"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=587.312,587.765"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Aber ich habe allerdings auch getroffen, die die Hitler auch anders verstanden haben, als der Hitler selbst.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=587.765,596.249"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun sagen Sie mal, wo...hm, wo war der Bischof Faulhaber? Wo war der jetzt, in München?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=596.249,602.749"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, zu dieser...war Bischof,...Kardinal Faulhaber...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=602.749,607.659"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Kardinal Faulhaber?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=607.659,608.643"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: . . . war er in München.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=608.643,0.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ah, in München war er.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=0.0,609.88"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=609.88,610.633"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja. Er war nicht pro Hitler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=610.633,613.378"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Nein, auf keinen Fall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=613.378,616.519"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun und die Anderen, sagen Sie mir, was haben sie gewusst von der Verfolgung von verschiedenen Völkern? Sagen wir, zum Beispiel, was haben Sie gewusst, was man mit den Juden getan hat, mit den Norwegern, mit den Zigeuners, und so weiter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=616.519,633.878"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, was mit den Juden gemacht wurde, das wurde allen klar. Wir haben alle gewusst, dass die Juden eingesperrt werden und ermordet. Das haben auch die Deutschen gewusst. Aber dagegen war selbstverständlich nichts zu tun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=633.878,651.564"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Hm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=651.564,652.486"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Denn wir als Ausländer konnten es richtig schätzen, dass wir noch irgendwie als Menschen leben können und nicht eingesperrt sind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=652.486,663.126"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Hm, aber die Deutschen selbst, die deutschen Geistlichen, die haben es gewusst und was haben die darüber gesagt? 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Da kann ich mich gut erinnern, dass der Herr Professor habe sich entschieden gegen die Misshandlung der Juden ausgesprochen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=671.813,690.781"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Und was haben die deutschen Studenten gesagt?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=690.781,693.25"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Die deutschen Studenten, die haben auch immer die, hm, Herabsetzung einer bestimmten Nationalität auch abgelehnt—als Theologen - das haben sie immer gemacht.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=693.25,710.906"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun, sagen Sie, wie haben sie sich zum Krieg verhalten? Wollten sie, dass Deutschland den Krieg gewinnen soll—und so weiter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=710.906,720.04"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das war sehr verschieden, die...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=720.04,721.899"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Sie verstehen, dass ich jetzt bloß...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=721.899,723.243"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=723.243,723.852"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: . . . eine solche Frage stelle,...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=723.852,724.821"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=724.821,725.352"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: . . . weil Sie ein besserer Beobachter sind als Andere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=725.352,729.417"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=729.417,730.105"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Sie waren ja nicht im Lager, Sie waren, hm, ein bisschen frei. Sie konnten mit den Deutschen reden, die Anderen konnten nicht, nicht wahr! Also weiter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=730.105,739.239"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Also es war sehr verschieden. Die Meisten wollten damit...der Krieg zu gewinnen, damit, hm, damit der Krieg gewonnen würde, denn damit habe sie gerade auch ihre Existenzmöglichkeiten gesehen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=739.239,757.019"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Oh ja, und sie waren doch...sie haben zum Lande gehört, nicht wahr?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=757.019,759.991"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=759.991,760.741"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Man kann das ja schließlich einem Menschen nicht übel nehmen, wenn er will, dass sein Land den Krieg gewinnt, sie verstehen das?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=760.741,766.148"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, ich verstehe Sie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=766.148,767.086"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja, nun sie wollten gewinnen. Wie kam es als es zum Ende kam? Nun? Waren Sie im Kloster, wie die Amerikaner herein kamen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=767.086,780.819"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, ich war damals noch im Kloster.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=780.819,782.631"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Und wie hat das ausgesehen, erzählen Sie mir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=782.631,784.85"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, die Meisten haben sich sehr ruhig verhalten und waren damit zufrieden, dass es endlich mit der Hitler Wirtschaft zu Ende geht.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=784.85,796.398"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Und sie haben gewusst, die Amerikaner werden Ihnen nichts tun?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=796.398,799.814"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, selbstverständlich. Aber ich habe auch oft manche junge Soldaten getroffen, das heißt vorherige Soldaten, die sehr betrübt darüber waren, dass fremde Soldaten in ihr eigenes Land gekommen sind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=799.814,814.782"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Na ja, waren die nicht selber in anderen Ländern?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=814.782,817.204"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das stimmt schon, aber als Kinder ihrer Heimat, \\waren sie darüber nicht besonders erfreut. Ich habe das wenigstens von dieser Seite beobachten können.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=817.204,829.954"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun haben Sie gesehen unter den Deutschen oder unter den Geistlichen, dass die eine gewisse Kriegsschuld fühlten?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=829.954,842.36"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das habe ich nicht ganz genau feststellen können. Aber ich glaube, dass wenn man breiter denkt, dass jeder Mensch an der Sache seines Nächsten sich irgendwie schuldig fühlen kann...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=842.36,864.872"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Hm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=864.872,865.715"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: . . . und insoweit haben sie sich auch schuldig gefühlt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=865.715,868.278"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun ja, haben Sie gesehen, dass es irgendwie ein Gefühl war, dass man etwas gut machen muss, was man der Welt angetan hat?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=868.278,879.575"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das gerade habe ich nicht bemerkt, dass man das unbedingt gut machen kann.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=879.575,887.543"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Gut machen muss!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=887.543,890.355"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Oder muss, das habe ich nicht bemerkt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=890.355,892.214"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun sagen wir zum Beispiel, das. Sie waren jetzt in Amerika gewesen Kleider zu schicken für die Deutschen. Nicht wahr? Und so viel wird auch geschickt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=892.214,901.443"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=901.443,901.928"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun haben die Deutschen selber alles weggegeben, was sie weggeben konnten?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=901.928,907.709"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Für wen? Für wen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=907.709,909.771"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Für die armen Deutschen und für die...für die anderen verschleppten Leute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=909.771,915.205"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Nein, denn die Deutschen haben die ganze Zeit die Verschleppten oder uns Ausländer wirklich misshandelt. Und dies als Theologe habe ich immer sehr tief gespürt und das ganze Übel fünf, sechs Jahre lang mit Schmerzen tragen müssen. Denn bei jedem Schritt, wo ich im Kloster war oder dort auf einer Behörde, wurde mir immer zu verstehen gegeben, dass ich ein Ausländer bin und nichts da zu suchen habe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=915.205,946.615"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun sagen Sie mir zum Beispiel, warum gehen Sie jetzt auf die UNRRA Universität und gehen nicht direkt zu einer deutschen Universität Jura zu studieren?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=946.615,954.381"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ich kenne die Deutschen sehr gut und es würde mir wirklich weh tun, dass ich bei denen Zuflucht zu suchen gezwungen bin, wie ich hatte. Nur aus diesem Grunde will ich nichts mit die Deutschen zu tun haben.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=954.381,971.275"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Aber Sie hatten...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=971.275,972.916"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Die waren meine Feinde die ganze Zeit, weil ich die sehr gut kenne, ich habe die Gelegenheit gehabt dazu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=972.916,978.727"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun wo denken Sie denn Jura zu praktizieren?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=978.727,981.258"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, das ist eine Frage, auf die ich vorläufig keine Antwort geben kann. Ich wenigstens...ich hoffe wenigstens, dass die Zeit günstig sein wird und wir in ein paar Jahren wieder in unsere Heimat zurück kehren dürfen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=981.258,1004.995"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Wie stellen Sie sich das vor? Denken Sie, dass die Russen weg gehen werden oder dass die Russen werden besser werden, oder was denken Sie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1004.995,1016.338"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, das ist meine persönlich Ansicht, dass die Lage, wie sie jetzt ist, nicht lange bestehen kann.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1016.338,1026.199"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: In welchem Sinn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1026.199,1027.449"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das bedeutet alle...die ganze weltpolitische Lage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1027.449,1031.38"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1031.38,1031.818"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Das ist ein Übergang von einem Stadium zum anderen Stadium.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1031.818,1037.583"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1037.583,1038.474"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Und als solcher, das kann nicht lange bestehen bleiben. Das ist doch ein Weg, ein ewiges Fortschreiten. Und ich glaube, dass entweder auf einem friedlichen oder einem militärischen Wege wird uns die Möglichkeit verschafft in unsere Heimat zurück zu kehren.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1038.474,1062.863"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Haben Sie welche Verbindung mit Ihrer Heimat? Was hören Sie von ihren...sie haben dort, sie haben doch Eltern gehabt, nicht wahr?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1062.863,1070.878"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja, ich habe meine Eltern in meiner Heimat, ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1070.878,1073.034"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Wann haben Sie zuletzt von denen gehört?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1073.034,1075.924"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Die Verbindung mit meinen Eltern ist abgebrochen in dem Jahre 1944, als die Russen an der litauischen Grenze, an der westlichen Grenze standen...und jeder Postverkehr zwischen Deutschland und Litauen abgebrochen wurde.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1075.924,1094.62"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Hm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1094.62,1095.558"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Seit dem habe ich von meinen Eltern gar nichts gehört und ich befürchte sehr, dass sie nicht mehr am Leben sind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1095.558,1104.995"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Gibt es nicht irgend welchen Weg sich zu verständigen durch das Rote Kreuz oder irgendwie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1104.995,1110.479"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Wenn es auch geben würde, würde ich das nicht probieren.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1110.479,1114.65"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1114.65,1115.4"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ich habe Angst meinen Eltern zu sagen, dass ich lebendig bin und mich in Deutschland befinde. Denn darin würden die Russen oder die Kommunisten deutlich in meinen Eltern ein Element sehen, das Ihnen unlieb ist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1115.4,1142.542"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun sagen Sie mir, wie geht es hier an der Universität?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1142.542,1146.192"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ja von dieser Universität bin ich sehr begeistert und mit meinem ganzen Herzen bin ich dabei. Aber jeder Anfang ist auch schwer, darum ist der Anfang an dieser Universität auch sehr schwer. Wir haben auch sehr wenig Geld, auch wenige Präparate, auch keine Laboratorien...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1146.192,1170.931"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Wie steht es mit den Büchern?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1170.931,1172.337"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Auch fast keine Bibliothek.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1172.337,1175.903"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Sie sind ein Student, sie studieren Jura. Studieren Sie das deutsche Gesetz oder was für ein Gesetz studieren Sie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1175.903,1182.481"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Als Juristen und als Studenten in dem dritten und zweiten Semester studieren wir gewöhnlich die Einführungen in das Recht, das heißt das römische Recht.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1182.481,1194.126"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1194.126,1195.251"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Einführung in das Recht, Soziologie, allgemeine Volkswirtschaftslehre, Statistik und das sind so allgemeine Fächer, die für alle Nationalitäten und Nationen gemeinsam sind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1195.251,1207.656"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David Boder: Nun, es tut mir leid, wie müssen abbrechen. Ich möchte wirklich sehr gerne jeden von Euch für eine Stunde haben oder zwei—vielleicht wäre das besser. Aber Sie sehen, ich würde vorziehen zwei Personen oder drei Personen für drei Stunden zu haben, statt jeden für eine halbe Stunden, nicht wahr. Aber da es doch so verschiedene Gruppen hier gibt, will ich keinem wehe tun, nicht wahr. Und ich vielleicht werde ich mir von der ganzen Geschichte mir etwas kollektiv zusammen stellen, nicht wahr. Mein Name wird hier mit ihrem Direktor bleiben, wenn Sie mir mal schreiben wollen. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich viel tun kann, aber ich werde es wenigstens zu wem hin schicken, der etwas tun könnte. Es hat mir wirklich gefreut Sie kennen zu lernen. Danke sehr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1207.656,1259.257"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Ferdinansk: Ich danke Ihnen auch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1259.257,1261.688"}]},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["German [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/transcript/7954/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/007/954/original/victor-ferdinansk_de.vtt?1583169552","format":"text/vtt","language":"de"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/007/954/original/victor-ferdinansk_de.vtt?1583169552"}]},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/annotation_set/757","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["ferdinanskV_annotations [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/annotation_set/757/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Munich\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/Munich\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=0.0,12.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/annotation_set/757/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003eUNRRA: \u003c/b\u003eAcronym for the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration. 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Among its chief duties was the repatriation of displaced persons—when the war ended, UNRRA had to cope with the task of caring for millions of displaced persons and refugees.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/unrrauniversitymunich\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/unrrauniversitymunich\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=946.0,954.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/annotation_set/757/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003eUNRRA: \u003c/b\u003eAcronym for the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration. Established in 1943, its principal executive post was held by a representative of the United States, which supplied forty percent of its budget. Among its chief duties was the repatriation of displaced persons—when the war ended, UNRRA had to cope with the task of caring for millions of displaced persons and refugees.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/unrrauniversitymunich\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/unrrauniversitymunich\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1142.0,1146.0"},{"id":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059/annotation_set/757/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eSpool 153 follows directly and is the beginning of an interview with Valerius Michelson (see Chapter 64) [D.P.B.].\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe limitation of the interview time to half an hour so that representatives of all groups at the UNRRA University could be interviewed in one afternoon was imposed by the management of the university. [D.P.B.]\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cb\u003eUNRRA: \u003c/b\u003eAcronym for the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration. Established in 1943, its principal executive post was held by a representative of the United States, which supplied forty percent of its budget. Among its chief duties was the repatriation of displaced persons—when the war ended, UNRRA had to cope with the task of caring for millions of displaced persons and refugees.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor more information and related content, see \u003ca href=\"https://voices.library.iit.edu/location/unrrauniversitymunich\"\u003ehttps://voices.library.iit.edu/location/unrrauniversitymunich\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iit.aviaryplatform.com/collections/231/collection_resources/17604/file/73059#t=1207.0,1259.0"}]}]}]}